# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/990 "2021-02-27T16:48:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Wanda walks straight into the first episode. Is your answer that they lived in the episode’s world living it a week before doing the show? I was won’t, it wasn’t a week it was a day. But from what Darcy has said, there’s more “episodes” we haven’t seen. So Agatha had time to show up. It wasn’t instant. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/991 "2021-02-27T16:59:07Z")
It also took time for Darcy to arrive and figure out that it was a ‘show’ - ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/992 "2021-02-27T17:02:38Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Also it sure felt like Wanda drove out of the SWORD parking lot and went down the street to Westview. Given what happened to Avengers HQ…maybe don’t build SWORD so close to millions of people. On the pullback shot, it looks like SWORD HQ is on the coast, possibly on it’s own island. And she was shown driving on the highway - they showed her entering NJ from the south on I-95. So I’d hazard a guess SWORD is in Virginia, maybe on Chesapeake Bay? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/993 "2021-02-27T17:25:34Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I keep reminding myself that most of the audience hasn’t spent the last thirty years devouring every Marvel comic and movie multiple times. And caring deeply about the characters, and nerding out over perceived easter eggs. > > A good reminder is that my Brother-in-Law and his family are watching. They are practical non-dorks who have never cracked a comic book. But they got sucked in because they loved the sitcom pastiches and are trying to keep up … > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I actually am a Marvel fan. … > … But I’m not one to speculate when I watch a thing. I just watch it. And I am yet another sort - not big fan of the MCU before this, haven’t read a comic in maybe 45 years, but love the speculating part, the guessing where are they going to go with this, from the oddness of the old sitcom premise on, and learning about the bits that I was missing! (Posters in this thread are like having an annotated copy of a great book for me!) I read some interview with Fiege in which this was explicitly discussed. The need to have shows that work on all these levels, that those who are watching an MCU product the first time and know nothing of the comic universe will enjoy, _and_ that will be something that will work on another level for those who have seen every movie, for those who freeze frame for every detail that might be a clue, _and_ that will get the biggest devoted fans squeeing … It’s a tricky thing! Add in the need to throw in things that get those mega-fans having fun going down _wrong_ rabbit holes led by false clues. (So the actual denouement may get guessed, but having had the fans guess a multitude of wrong ones too!) > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > So Agatha had time to show up. It wasn’t instant. I guess that must be how we need to read it. I see the _I Love Lucy_ show as starting as soon as Wanda steps into character, immediately after the hex was cast, but I can ignore it by choice, yeah, there was another episode we never saw … or something …or just that Agatha _is_ that fast, would be instantly aware of that level of new magic being cast, and would be there in a literal flash with no problem getting through the hex. It’s not a deal breaker for me. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/994 "2021-02-27T17:50:26Z")
There’s definitely a fairly large period of time between Wanda creating the hex and the episodes we see. After Wanda creates the hex, Woo’s missing person investigation leads him there, then he requests help, then Monica arrives, then Sword shows up, then Darcy figures out the TV broadcast, and we see her watching the first WandaVision episode we are shown. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/995 "2021-02-27T17:55:54Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I’ll be surprised if Ultron does not possess the Vision body and more surprised if when he does he’s not removed as a threat very quickly. > > I’m now convinced that the horned woman Wanda was shown as seeing is a version of herself and very much expecting a future movie to revisit this future or other dimension Wanda appearance from that end of the perspective. Though I would still be happy with it being an elder god. > > Monica clearly is part of saving the day but I’m not coming up with very good guesses how. Darcy and Jimmy have to have roles too. To me it feels like too many characters and stories have been introduced for them to wrap this up in one more 23 minute episode. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/996 "2021-02-27T18:05:24Z")
I don’t think it gets all wrapped up; it just comes to a natural pause point. Plus ep 8 clocked in at 47 minutes, not 23, and 9 is said to be [50 minutes](https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/wandavision-finale-run-time-revealed-longest-episode/) long. Still a lot to bring together! (Especially since some of that is credits …) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/997 "2021-02-27T18:14:39Z")
Well, the extended length definitely helps. Still, there’s a number of character’s stories to tell: Pietro, Billy, Tommy, Agatha, Monica, Darcy, Jimmy Woo, Hayward, and of course Wanda, Vision and Vision2. That’s a lot of threads to tie up. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/998 "2021-02-27T18:20:08Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I keep reminding myself that most of the audience hasn’t spent the last thirty years devouring every Marvel comic and movie multiple times. And caring deeply about the characters, and nerding out over perceived easter eggs. > > A good reminder is that my Brother-in-Law and his family are watching. They are practical non-dorks who have never cracked a comic book. But they got sucked in because they loved the sitcom pastiches and are trying to keep up … It’s almost like a QAnon follower looking for crumbs and clues of information to unravel the great mystery, isn’t it? I see why conspiracy theories are so intriguing now. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/999 "2021-02-27T18:24:19Z")
I hope that it at least comes to a conclusion. It is supposed to lead into Doctor Strange’s next movie, and that’s fine, but I’ll be a bit annoyed if they leave off on a cliffhanger that isn’t resolved until then. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1000 "2021-02-27T18:25:42Z")
To be fair, it actually _is_ a conspiracy, when you have actual people writing and directing everything that happens within the show. Clues actually mean something, even if they are red herrings. Reality is not as well scripted. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1001 "2021-02-27T19:14:06Z")
Considering that Wanda built the town based on her memories of watching the same sitcom episodes over and over, and the general importance of the concept of reruns to the sitcom format, I wouldn’t be surprised if it “broadcasts” the same episode multiple times, allowing SWORD et. al. to catch up on the stuff that happened before they got there. But Agatha would have had to move very quickly to get there when she did. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1002 "2021-02-27T19:24:52Z")
That’s true, but there are also events that show the broadcasts are happening in realtime from the outside perspective. For example when Monica gets ejected from the hex, it’s in time with the episode being broadcast. Though there’s no reason that the episode couldn’t have been repeated after that, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1003 "2021-02-27T19:58:21Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I keep reminding myself that most of the audience hasn’t spent the last thirty years devouring every Marvel comic and movie multiple times. And caring deeply about the characters, and nerding out over perceived easter eggs. This is one reason I am thoroughly convinced that Ultron is not part of this story.\* Obviously I could be wrong, I’ve been wrong many times in this thread, but having a hard call back in the final hour to a character from a movie that your audience may not have watched is bad form. Both Marvel & Disney are better storytellers than that. I’m somewhere halfway between. I’m not a comic book person. So I don’t know the characters from there (I’ve been glossing over the parts of this thread that are comics heavy. I’ll probably come back to them after next week.) OTOH, I’ve watched all the MCU movies and a lot of the MCU tv shows (I think I started them all, even if I didn’t make it all the way through). The things I need in the final episode are: - the townspeople need to be released/the hex needs to come down. - inside-hex Vision needs to either make it back to Wanda or fail to make it back to Wanda, but that can’t just get dropped. - something has to happen with the the outside-hex Vision, even if it’s just he’s wheeled into SWORD and put on ice for a future series or movie. - some movement and/or resolution to the Monica/Agnes conflict. (Right now, Monica is waiting off to the side. They need to bring her back to win or lose or draw or write her completely out of this chapter of the story) - something needs to be done with Billy & Tommy (die? disappear? become “real”? it’s a thing that needs to be wrapped up somehow) - they have to figure out what to do with Wanda. That’s a lot for an episode. \*also, he’s dead. And also, this is Wanda’s story more than Vision’s. Narratively, her re-fighting Ultron doesn’t make sense. In a Vision-fronted story, suppressing the part of himself that might be Ultron kind of makes sense. But this is not that story. And he’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1004 "2021-02-27T20:15:37Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > having a hard call back in the final hour to a character from a movie that your audience may not have watched is bad form. Both Marvel & Disney are better storytellers than that. They created a device with Darcy and Vision sitting in a truck pretty much explicitly to give a means for the audience (and Vision) to have that part of the past story told, that his mind and soul originated of Jarvis, the body was intended for Ultron, Wanda killed him at his request to save half the universe but then time was rewound and she had to watch him be killed. This is like Chekhov’s gun: you don’t have that lengthy exposition in episode 7 unless it is important in episode 9. A computer program is not reliably dead unless you know all back ups are destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1005 "2021-02-27T20:25:50Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > That’s a lot for an episode Oh. Add in they have to reveal what Cataract is. I don’t think it can be powering up a _zombie_ Vision alone. The first words of the division’s name are “_sentient_ weapons” … Ideally they also get Wanda to acceptance in her grief work. Good writing has all these threads converge on the same resolution. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1006 "2021-02-27T20:38:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Wanda walks straight into the first episode. Is your answer that they lived in the episode’s world living it a week before doing the show? I just checked this, and you’re wrong about that. The end of episode 8 shows Wanda and Vision settling on the couch after she wills him into existence. The beginning of episode 1 opens with Wanda washing dishes in the kitchen, when Vision enters reading a newspaper. There’s definitely some delta of time between the end of the most recent episode and the start of the series. I think, in universe, there’s maybe half a dozen episodes of the hex show that we don’t see. Also, the first episode actually starts with the into to the '50s version of the hex show, which shows them arriving in town in car with “just married” written on it. When the hell did _that_ happen? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1007 "2021-02-27T20:42:14Z")
I’m pretty sure the milky white Vision is “Cataract.” When they bring him online, he holds up his hand and looks at it, which I think is intended to communicate self-awareness. Assuming this version is anything like the comics version, he won’t be mindless, but he will be more robotic and emotionless. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1008 "2021-02-27T21:01:16Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > A computer program is not reliably dead unless you know all back ups are destroyed. You’re the last one - you were supposed to be the last - [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Grldu9JT4Zc/maxresdefault.jpg "Vision Vs Ultron Final Scene") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grldu9JT4Zc) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1009 "2021-02-27T21:07:45Z")
Actually, I wonder if Wanda was actually repeating the first episode over and over again, until Agnes came along to push the plot out of its rut. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=51)