# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1010 "2021-02-27T21:22:00Z")
So I Love Lucy had several episodes, or reliving of the same episode, then, either due to Agatha or at least coincident with Agatha arriving, the shows progress one per decade, roughly. Okay. I could more see many of Dick Van Dyke since that was her stated favorite to watch over again. It’s not a hill I’ll die on. My standard is that bits that don’t make sense are okay if the rest of the show makes up for it, and they do. I can gloss over it. Just not 100% sure it isn’t something that will be explained better yet. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1011 "2021-02-27T21:23:33Z")
Ill bet they manage to work in a Meta Monty Python joke over the Rabitt. Monica: Look out for the rabbit! Its no ordinary rabbitt! Darcy: Really? We’re doing Monty Python jokes, now?? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1012 "2021-02-27T21:34:19Z")
So, if Agatha is a magic user who sensed something massive and supernatural going down in New Jersey and flew in to investigate - where the fuck is Dr. Strange? That’s literally his job. New theory: Ralph is Dr. Strange. I see three ways it could work. 1. Agatha bushwhacked him before he could do much to interfere, and has him mystically restrained in one of those tunnels. 2. He tried to directly challenge Wanda, lost, and was absorbed into the fake reality as the unseen character trope. 3. He’s outside the hex, and Agatha is working for him. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1013 "2021-02-27T21:44:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He tried to directly challenge Wanda, lost, and was absorbed into the fake reality as the unseen character trope. There’s certainly precedent for that in the comics. I’m pretty sure he got re-written along with everyone else in “House of M”, and he’s been neutralized by other, smaller reality over-writes. On the other hand, > [@Miller](#): > > So, if Agatha is a magic user who sensed something massive and supernatural going down in New Jersey and flew in to investigate - where the fuck is Dr. Strange? That’s literally his job. Sort of? We don’t really know that much about “magic” in the MCU. Doctor Strange and his order use “magic” that seems a lot more like pseudoscience. They open portals, and channel extradimensional energies mostly just to create blasts and shields indistinguishable from what Iron Man does with his repulsors. I don’t remember much actual spell casting. Whereas Agatha does some of that, but also uses actual magical runes to negate Wanda’s powers, and casts actual spells of enchantment and transmutation. What she does seems a lot more, well, magical. She also talks about “witches” as if that’s a specific, distinct thing. Maybe witch magic works on a different “wavelength” from the magic the Ancient One’s order taps into? But I’d agree that’s a stretch. Even in the MCU, Doctor Strange is explicitly supposed to guard against extradimensional incursions (he notices Thor popping in from Asgard and intervenes), and it sure seems like that’s what’s going on here. On the other, other hand, they could always go with the old comics standby that he’s been busy on his own adventures, possibly in another dimension. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1014 "2021-02-27T22:28:59Z")
It looks like they’re setting up different schools of magic. Wanda is expressly Chaos magic, which appears to be coded red. Agatha’s mother and her coven all had blue colored (Order?) magic - Agatha herself had been dabbling in forbidden magic, and hers is dark purple. My headcanon, at least for the moment, is that Kamar-Taj simply teaches yet another school. But there’s a lot of ways they could go with that. I’m virtually certain that the rumored tie in to the next Dr. Strange movie is Wanda ends up as Dr. Strange’s student. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d07c76/32.png) [@Hermione1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1015 "2021-02-27T22:40:14Z")
Yay Cherry Hill–where I grew up! (I liked seeing the exit to Rt. 29, Trenton/Lambertville. That’s how I get to New Hope, PA, or Peddler’s Village in Lahaska, PA, without having to pay tolls.) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1016 "2021-02-27T23:00:36Z")
dark purple == blue + red ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1017 "2021-02-27T23:11:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, if Agatha is a magic user who sensed something massive and supernatural going down in New Jersey and flew in to investigate - where the fuck is Dr. Strange? That’s literally his job. Don’t forget that Strange also just got unsnapped. I’m sure he’s dealing with a lot too. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1018 "2021-02-27T23:13:09Z")
> [@Hermione1](#): > > That’s how I get to New Hope, PA, or Peddler’s Village in Lahaska, PA, without having to pay tolls. You can park at a state park further up, walk your bike across the pedestrian bridge, and actually ride your bike south down the hiking path to New Hope. It’s a fun day in the spring or summer or fall. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1019 "2021-02-27T23:14:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It looks like they’re setting up different schools of magic. Wanda is expressly Chaos magic, which appears to be coded red. Agatha’s mother and her coven all had blue colored (Order?) magic - Agatha herself had been dabbling in forbidden magic, and hers is dark purple. …and Dottie Jones is secretly Arcanna Jones, and her colour is yellow 😃 (She probably isn’t, and the fact that her flowers were yellow, her last name is “Jones” and her husband Phil shares the name of her husband in the comics are all probably either coincidence or deliberate homage, but I’ll take what I can get 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1020 "2021-02-27T23:39:35Z")
Yeah, he probably has a lot of timeline untangling to manage after the Time Heist and the Blip. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1021 "2021-02-28T01:13:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But Agatha would have had to move very quickly to get there when she did. Agatha undoubtedly already had her eye on Wanda. Perhaps after Lagos when taking out an entire floor of innocent people brought her to the attention of the wider public. If not then, then most definitely after the Blip when she almost took down Thanos all by herself. When Wanda transformed an entire town, Agatha was already nearby, ready to insert herself into the production. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1022 "2021-02-28T01:47:33Z")
Inconsistencies in time and space are a given in comic books. It’s just something you get used to like blue hair. The TV and movie fans haven’t quite gotten used to it yet. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1023 "2021-02-28T01:55:29Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Don’t forget that Strange also just got unsnapped. Yeah, huh, which begs the question as to who was defending Earth/The Universe from all mystical threats during the intervening years? Wouldn’t think the job would go undone if there’s any of the Ancient One’s order left. I hope that question is addressed in the next Strange movie. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1024 "2021-02-28T01:58:24Z")
Also I want Mordo to show up again. I had another question, though-they say Vision had a living will. He’s not human and there’s no precedent for an intelligent machine. How was it even accepted or why should anyone even have expected SWORD to do so? Was Tony defending it in court? ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1025 "2021-02-28T02:08:33Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Oh, and @Discord? I couldn’t watch the episode until I got home from work, by which time there were already 30+ unread responses in this thread. Now, yes, I could have tried to multiquote and responded to three completely different posts by three different posters in a single post of my own, but your own thread scrolling and multiquote set-up makes that technically clunky, and I don’t _want_ to try to combine them into a single post. So, if I want to make three posts in a row, I’ll make three posts in a row. > > Stop nagging me. > > #@(& you very much. Wait, back up… is the Dope a Discord, now? I’ve never had any exposure to Discords, otherwise, is the reason I’m asking. Like, I’ve heard of them, but I’ve never actually been on one, before, and I’ve never been to another message board that looks like this. I legitimately don’t know what they look like. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1026 "2021-02-28T02:15:12Z")
You didn’t ask me, but I don’t _think_ so? Not unless it’s a very customized version of a Discord. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1027 "2021-02-28T02:15:52Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > Wait, back up… is the Dope a Discord, now? That was a flub—the board software is Discourse, not Discord. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1028 "2021-02-28T02:34:03Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > …they say Vision had a living will. He’s not human and there’s no precedent for an intelligent machine. How was it even accepted or why should anyone even have expected SWORD to do so? Was Tony defending it in court? WARNING!: Deep Dive Into Comics Geekery Ahead! In _Captain America: The First Avenger_, at the Stark Expo Steve visits near the beginning of the movie, we can see among the exhibits, “Phineas Horton Presents the Synthetic Man”. This is clearly the original Human Torch, a “synthezoid”, who in the comics was created both IRL and in-universe in 1939. In the comics, one version of Vision’s origin had Ultron making him out of the remains of the original Human Torch. That’s since been retconned, de-retconned, and re-retconned a few times. I _think_ currently in canon Vision wasn’t made from the original Human Torch’s part, but he was partially based on HT’s designs, is also a “synthezoid”, and considers HT a sort of father/brother/cousin. It’s _possible_ that in the MCU, the synthezoid Human Torch wasn’t just the static exhibit we saw, but actually was active for some period of time, and there may actually be legal precedent in American law for dealing with synthezoid legal rights. Comic Geekery Deep Dive Over * * * Or, more likely, Vision’s fellow Avengers considered his living will binding, because they saw him as a person, but SWORD and the U.S. government didn’t. Director Hayward directly states that Vision is a sentient weapon, not a person. Which is how SWORD wound up with his body, disassembling it and trying to figure out how it worked and how to reactivate it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1029 "2021-02-28T03:17:25Z")
I started binging and am caught up as of tonight, and let me tell you, I did not anticipate blubbering all over my keyboard over WandaVision, but Wanda collapsing and basically exploding from grief just twisted me up. Having recently lost my husband myself, that just grabbed something and I’ve been Niagaraing for the last 30 minutes. Good work, Marvel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=52)