# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1090 "2021-03-01T17:19:08Z")
I figured Agatha was being punished for making a pact with a higher power. I am still leaning towards Blackheart as a Mephisto proxie. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1091 "2021-03-01T18:04:54Z")
1. Nitpick: There was also Agatha joking “Seriously why are you yelling we’re standing right here.” And wiping the tiniest of tears away. But that may have been more touching then funny. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1092 "2021-03-01T18:14:39Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Was this the most serious thing Marvel Studios has done? A pretty common criticism of the MCU is that they never go too long without throwing a joke in. But the only somewhat humorous scene was Vision reacting to Malcolm in the Middle. My memory of _Winter Soldier_ and _Civil War_ was that they were pretty unrelentingly serious, but I may be remembering them as being more grim than they actually were. Tony’s grief over his mom’s death was a plot point in that last, and _Endgame_ briefly touched on the grief and survivor’s guilt of the survivors of the Snap, but they didn’t really delve into that too deeply. I think this may be the most _personal_ thing the MCU has done so far. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1093 "2021-03-01T18:15:04Z")
Let’s assume though that the crowns speak to being “the office holder” - queen of that power. Something that I’ve been led to believe has comics origins. So Wanda of Chaos Magic. Agatha’s mum of … Order Magic? … now dead and office passed on to? Not Agnes. Does Dottie as Abigail Harkness come in here? Or all trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1094 "2021-03-01T18:20:24Z")
I’m guessing Agatha’s purple magic indicates that she’s practicing a third school - Dark Magic, maybe? - and so was ineligible for her mother’s crown. Possibly that coven represented all the practioners of that form of magic, who are now extinct thanks to Agatha? That doesn’t seem as fun, though. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1095 "2021-03-01T18:22:22Z")
The whole airport battle in Civil War was a big joke until Rhodey got shot down. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1096 "2021-03-01T21:17:58Z")
He did say, “Snoopers gotta snoop.” Maybe he is freed from Agatha’s control, and is snooping to find out what’s going on himself. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1097 "2021-03-01T22:07:15Z")
On Wanda’s accent. I think this is insignificant. It’s just a story telling device to indicate when Wanda is fully immersed in her sit-com fantasy versus when reality is intruding and she’s speaking as IRL Wanda. It means she’s breaking her own fourth wall. No accent, sit-com Wanda. Accent, real world Wanda. Yeah, she’s annoyed when people intrude on her fantasy, but the pissed off native accent returning is just happenstance. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1098 "2021-03-01T22:12:02Z")
There’s also Kamer-Taj green magic. I don’t know if the MCU will go all in on the flavors of magic idea and I don’t know that these styles of magic are truly different. In fact, they may downplay magic altogether and leave it as infinity stone stuff instead. It could just be the different colored lightsabers from Star Wars. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1099 "2021-03-01T22:17:00Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > No accent, sit-com Wanda. Accent, real world Wanda. Yeah, she’s annoyed when people intrude on her fantasy, but the pissed off native accent returning is just happenstance. She didn’t have the accent in the last couple movies her character was in, so it’s not just “sit-com/real life.” I think it might just be, “Her accent comes out when she’s really pissed,” though. On the “colors of magic” thing, the fact that the title for someone who is really good at Chaos magic has a color in it makes me suspect it’s significant, at least for Chaos magic. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1100 "2021-03-01T22:22:38Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > There’s also Kamer-Taj green magic. If you’re referring to the magic wielded by the Ancient One, Doctor Strange, etc., in the MCU, their magic effects are a sort of yellowish-orange, though when Strange uses the Time Stone, _that_ has a green effect. [![](https://i.redd.it/spaub6qc6gn01.jpg) ](https://i.redd.it/spaub6qc6gn01.jpg) [![](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uPEqzOEyvg6pGvTu5xtw4btkS2s=/0x0:1058x550/1200x800/filters:focal(445x191:613x359)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64645624/5c61f62734.0.jpeg) ](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uPEqzOEyvg6pGvTu5xtw4btkS2s=/0x0:1058x550/1200x800/filters:focal(445x191:613x359)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64645624/5c61f62734.0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1101 "2021-03-01T22:25:42Z")
One more thought. Assuming that Agatha’s “OMG you’re the Scarlett Witch” moment is authentic and not based on some phony myth, this seems like the MCU trying to retcon all the confusing inconsistency around the Scarlet Witch from the comics. Avenger’s Wanda may or may not have been a minor talent before she was unlocked by the Mind Stone. The Mind Stone turned her into a powerful superhero, but she’s basically still not “magic”. She has energy blasts and telekinesis and telepathy, but she doesn’t really conjure. She doesn’t really change reality. Then, in her grief, she unlocked some new level of power. Or the big bad helped her tap into something dark. And this dark, dangerous version of Wanda is the Scarlett Witch. Which in the MCU becomes a villain. Basically the Dark Phoenix storyline. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1102 "2021-03-01T22:29:11Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > If you’re referring to the magic wielded by the Ancient One, Doctor Strange, etc., in the MCU, their magic effects are a sort of yellowish-orange, though when Strange uses the Time Stone, _that_ has a green effect. The Ancient One explains that magic is essentially drawing on energy from different dimensions. I assume all the orangish magic comes from one dimension. When Kaecilius down magic from the dark dimension is a reddish-purple color. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1103 "2021-03-01T22:30:16Z")
Ah, you’re right. Forgot that the green was specifically the time stone. Their orange magic is still a new coding from the 3 we’ve seen in this series. Not sure if the green Agamotto magic is “magic” or infinity stone power. Probably a meaningless distinction. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1104 "2021-03-01T22:33:47Z")
> **[Dark Dimension Magic (ag3838)](https://supernaturalfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Dimension_Magic_(ag3838))** > > Dark Dimension Magic is an ancient form of Magic that is forbidden by the Grand Coven. The reason why they forbade this magic was that channeling energy from the The Dark Dimension would open oneself to Dormammu's influence. The primary effects of... It looks an awful lot like “chaos” magic here. I also recall that his weapons seemed to be drawn from the mirror dimension. At least that’s what they looked like. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1105 "2021-03-01T22:41:07Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > It looks an awful lot like “chaos” magic here. Eh, there’s only so many colors vs. an infinite number of dimensions. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1106 "2021-03-01T22:43:26Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Eh, there’s only so many colors vs. an infinite number of dimensions. _“Wait – was that sorcerer using aquamarine or turquoise magic?”_ _“What? I thought it was cyan! Maybe he was one of those Teal Magic guys?”_ ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1107 "2021-03-01T22:44:18Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Maybe he was one of those Teal Magic guys?” A very popular school of magic in the early '90s, as I recall. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1108 "2021-03-01T22:45:09Z")
So, here’s something. Assuming that the color coding of magic is significant: The Mind Stone is yellow. Wanda’s powers are red. This suggests that the Mind Stone isn’t the source of Wanda’s powers, it just boosted powers she already had. But in _Infinity War,_ it’s stated that Wanda can destroy the Mind Stone because her powers come from the same source. Did she will an Infinity Stone out of existence just because she thought she could? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1109 "2021-03-01T22:46:14Z")
This is why no skilled magician is ever caught without his Pantone color wheel. Second most important tool next to those rings that open magic portals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=56)