# WandaVision on Disney +. Open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 21, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094 "2021-01-21T14:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1190 "2021-03-06T12:43:52Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > It’s her astral form studying the Darkhold as her physical body goes about the day. Dr. Strange does the same thing. Not split personality or anything else. Think of it as singing along to the radio as you drive. > As to the voices of her children… _shrug_ . We’ll find out later. Well, this is a bit embarrassing. I’ve portrayed myself as a comics geek with knowledge of the source material several times in this thread, including in that very response, and somehow that didn’t occur to me. Yes, I think you’re clearly right. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1191 "2021-03-06T12:45:28Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > You’d think they woulda figured it out by now. I thought she was one of the highlights of the show, and pretty nearly the only good thing in the first Thor movie. Obviously, tastes differ. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1192 "2021-03-06T13:37:19Z")
Certainly. And she was far from the worst thing in this adventure. As casting goes, there isn’t much to complain about. I did want to point out how well Hahn matched her character. Dennings doesn’t match my tastes but she’s really not that bad either. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1193 "2021-03-06T13:47:14Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Such a cool premise. It could have been something different than just the standard superhero fare, something that dealt with the internal workings of grief on a nuanced level, and they went with two witches shooting magic balls at each other. It was well and fine for following the superhero script, but I wanted something more. Villains utterly lacking complexity. Vision(s) is a bright spot, but then I always loved his character in the MCU. This is how I feel about it. There was some A+ writing involved, and it showed up in patches all up through the last episode. But it got blown up by (IMO) by a few bad choices with plot and casting that undermined the rest of it. So, a C, but only because it’s a seriously injured A series. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1194 "2021-03-06T13:52:40Z")
I think the most extraordinary thing about this show is that I believe it’s the first time the MCU has taken one of the good guys from the comics (Agatha Harkness) and turned them into a unequivocal villain. Alas, when they get around to rebooting the Fantastic Four, Alicia Masters will be the only babysitter available when the Richards’ abandon their children to go fight Skrulls (who are now apparently good guys - 13 year old me is very upset.) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1195 "2021-03-06T14:50:26Z")
I wouldn’t regard original Harkness as an unequivocal good guy. She’s not a villain, but she’s willing to follow her own interests and sometimes acts as a wild card. That said, yeah, this isn’t the comics Agatha at all. On the other hand, the Cap Marvel movie took an unequivocal set of villains, the Skrulls, and flipped the script on them super hard. But then again, we’ve got a Secret Invasion series coming up, so the script is flipping again. Bottom line, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Agatha. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1196 "2021-03-06T14:56:49Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > But then again, we’ve got a Secret Invasion series coming up, so the script is flipping again. My understanding is that in the upcoming _Secret Invasion_ series, a militant faction of Skrulls goes rogue, and tries to take over the Earth to make a new Skrull homeworld. Talos, his daughter, and many other Skrulls remain good guys, and help Nick Fury to fight the rogue Skrulls. But, we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1197 "2021-03-06T15:16:09Z")
I agree with a lot of folks here. The highlight of the show was Wanda’s story arc about grief, and how in her grief she caused horrible injury to those around her, and how now she’s compounded her grief with guilt. This stuff was phenomenally good. But Agatha, and SWORD, were fair-to-middling bog-standard comic book stuff, and the requisite laser-show battle in the finale served no purpose except to check boxes. Agatha especially felt like a waste: her motives were _dull_. SWORD was okay as a way to move the plot forward, but they distracted from the show’s central themes of grief, loss, and moral accountability. And the ending, with Wanda just saying buh-bye people she tortured, left a lot to be desired. Monica could have said something like, “There’s no way we can hold you accountable for your crime, Wanda, and there’s no way you can make this right, but you’ve got a lifetime to try.” She could have brought home, to Wanda and to the viewer, the enormity of the misdeed. Instead, she was all, “It’s okay, babe.” So much good in the show. I wish it hadn’t been tempered by the missteps. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1198 "2021-03-06T15:18:09Z")
alot of lively discussion - For me - I thought this series ended on a high note - last episode answered alot of questions, set up several new story lines and was a good story for Wanda/Scarlet Witch. I’ll let you all continue to argue over it - but while I don’t see re-watching it anytime soon, I did enjoy watching it and the finale was quite the spectacle. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1199 "2021-03-06T15:26:50Z")
I enjoyed the finale, and the series in general. I will say that when they revisited the point in the “previously on” that a witch cannot work magic within another witch’s runes, I knew _exactly_ how Wanda was going to defeat Agatha. Plenty of nits to pick, some set up that didn’t pay off and the first Marvel villain – to my knowledge – to be undone by a freshman philosophy discussion, but I enjoyed spending time with these characters and exploring this premise. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1200 "2021-03-06T15:40:26Z")
The more I think about it, the more I’m coming to regard using X-Pietro as an excellent piece of misdirection on the part of Marvel. In-universe, Agatha cast some rando to play the part of Pietro. Now if Marvel had really cast some rando to play Fietro then we the audience would pretty much instantly have seen right through it. Putting in X-Pietro garnered shock, confusion and then acceptance from the audience that he really was Pietro, much like Wanda was initially confused then accepted that he was Pietro. And so Marvel trolled all the socials while still making Fietro fit into the storyline. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1201 "2021-03-06T15:53:14Z")
Probably too obvious to mention, but White Vision now has all of Westview Vision’s memories and perhaps also his emotions and personality. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1202 "2021-03-06T15:58:52Z")
If I’m understanding correctly, “Westview Vision” unlocked the memories that were stored in the “White Vision’s” body but Haywood had blocked access to. So he’ll have the memories Vision had prior to his death, but no memories from Westview. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1203 "2021-03-06T16:00:06Z")
I was just responding the same. I don’t see WV having WVV’s recent memories. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1204 "2021-03-06T16:05:45Z")
Naw, that’s how Westview Vision went so gently into that good night. He lives on in White Vision. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1205 "2021-03-06T16:05:59Z")
I can’t imagine how anyone can justify Wanda’s actions, much less think of her as a hero. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1206 "2021-03-06T16:06:41Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Probably too obvious to mention, but White Vision now has all of Westview Vision’s memories and perhaps also his emotions and personality. If he did he would have stayed. He had his old memories unlocked, which is not quite the same. ---
**Author:** ![Galactus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galactus/32/3581_2.png) [@Galactus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galactus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1207 "2021-03-06T16:19:49Z")
When WV Vision touches White Vision’s mindstone it briefly turns yellow. This could be interpreted as WV Vision as leaving a copy of himself in White Vision. Maybe? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1208 "2021-03-06T16:37:00Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > If I’m understanding correctly, “Westview Vision” unlocked the memories that were stored in the “White Vision’s” body but Haywood had blocked access to. So he’ll have the memories Vision had prior to his death, but no memories from Westview. Yeah, that was confusing. Even if Vision only had memories up to Westview or his death in Infinity War, he and Wanda were an item before that point. I actually assumed it was White Vision with Restored Memories that flew off to be with Wanda at the end. I thought the big surprise would be that Vision would still remain once the hex went down and then the two would go off and figure out something to restore their kids or whatever. Especially after the whole “Ship of Theseus”. I mean White Vision with Restored Memories IS the Real Vision, isn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094/1209 "2021-03-06T16:43:16Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Especially after the whole “Ship of Theseus”. I mean White Vision with Restored Memories IS the Real Vision, isn’t he? I thought the whole point of that was that they were _both_ the real Vision _and_ that _neither_ of them were. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-open-spoilers/931094.md?page=61)