# WandaVision on Disney+ (spoilers after first post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 15, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618 "2021-01-15T18:52:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/61 "2021-01-18T09:04:08Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Vision at work having experiences without Wanda and that she was unaware of made any reveal of all in Wanda’s mind hard to pull off. I honestly doubt it is in her mind and is more the MCU bringing in her powers as reality warping rather than just telekinesis. In the comics she created a whole world where mutants were in control in the “House of M” storyline. A lot of that happened with Wanda not being present. She then, with a simple sentence, reduced the mutant population to 100. Yeah, Wanda’s powers are a lot different in the comics. To be honest, she disappointed me in the MCU in that all she seems to do is move stuff. It’ll be interersting to see if they go down the route of the comics and, if so, what they do with it. > **[House of M](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_M)** > > Cable & Deadpool #15-18 > Captain America (vol. 5) #10 > Civil War: House of M #1–5 > Decimation: House of M – The Day After #1 > Excalibur (vol. 3) #11–14 > Exiles (vol. 1) #69–71 > Fantastic Four: House of M #1–3 > House of M #1–8 Director's Cut #1 > House of M Sketchbook > House of M: Avengers #1-5 > House of M: Masters of Evil #1–4 > Incredible Hulk (vol. 3) #83–86 > Hulk: Broken Worlds #1 > Iron Man: House of M #1–3 > Mutopia X #1–5 > New Thunderbolts #11 > New X-Men (vol. 2) #16–19 > The Pulse #10 > The Pulse: House of M Spec... ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/62 "2021-01-18T13:23:22Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I guess I would problems with the premise. I’m one of those tortured nerds that gets hung up hard on canon and continuity, and I can’t suspend disbelief until the premise of the show is reconciled with the known events of MCU continuity. (Unless they choose to disclaim canon status, like the “Legends” label in Star Wars.) > > Don’t let that bother anyone here. It’s my burden. (Well, [not just mine.](https://www.google.com/search?q=is+mcu+vision+still+dead)) The show is definitely meant to reconcile with MCU canon and continuity and not just be a clever sampler of 70 years of sitcom filming techniques. They give various hints, both subtle and overt, that this “sitcom” reality is set up for Vision, Wanda, possibly other characters. Wanda’s “universe warping” powers are supposed to lead into the next Doctor Strange film. Keep in mind, the canon of the MCU now includes time travel, multiverses, AI, Dr Pym’s weird quantum shit, and space magic. Obviously the big mysteries are why is Vision still alive (although I suppose since he’s an AI they could always copy him)? Where are Wanda and Vision and what is the actual nature of where they are at (presumably some sort of artificial reality)? Who is controlling it (we’ve seen product placement by both Stark Industries and Hydra)? And why is it playing out vintage sitcom style (other than for artistic reasons)? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/63 "2021-01-18T13:30:41Z")
I might have missed it above, but in case I didn’t. **Dick Van Dyke was actually a consultant on the show**. That is freakin cool as all heck. > **[WandaVision Consultant Dick Van Dyke Was Oblivious to the MCU's Success - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/wandavision-consultant-dick-van-dyke-was-oblivious-to-the-mcus-success)** > > Marvel's Matt Shakman and Kevin Feige sat down with TV legend Dick Van Dyke to help set the tone for WandaVision, and they discovered he was a bit oblivious to the massive success of the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/64 "2021-01-18T13:39:03Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > **Dick Van Dyke was actually a consultant on the show**. That is freakin cool as all heck. I just read that. It’s also great that they had to explain to him the success of the MCU in movies. “Wow, the biggest movie of all time? That’s great!” They missed the cameo chance for the 1950’s section with him. Maybe he’ll turn up in another episode. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/65 "2021-01-18T13:43:43Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I think you guys are misinterpreting the point of the sitcom concept. It’s not a parody, it’s a virtual environment Wanda has hidden herself away inside. It seems like you have started watching with a fixed idea of what to expect, and it’s not fulfilling that expectation. I have no expectation. And even less now. It’s showing me something, but what it’s showing me so far could be wrapped up in a few minutes. Whatever else it may be, at the moment it’s nothing but a sitcom parody. If there’s something else to it then we should have been there before the end of the first episode. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/66 "2021-01-18T13:56:56Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Keep in mind, the canon of the MCU now includes time travel, multiverses, AI, Dr Pym’s weird quantum shit, and space magic. And what with all those ANYTHING can fit into canon. Different timeline, different dimension, crossovers between them, it’s magic without limits, or at least whatever is plot convenient limits … profit! Don’t get me wrong. I enjoyed Legion’s weirdness. I get the sense of how old sit coms were the place to escape from reality, and who knows what rehashed shows Wanda grew up watching? It makes logical sense for Wanda to create an escape from trauma into that fantasy world in a denial phase of grief. And to have trapped some bystanders in there with her. Next sit com episodes might show her working through that grief symbolically. And the consequences of what she has done to the multiverse which sets up the next movie and new superheroes as well. But current canon allows anything to happen and IMHO that is not a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/67 "2021-01-18T14:19:32Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But current canon allows anything to happen and IMHO that is not a good thing. Especially with that character. I’ve been reading stories with the Scarlet Witch in them for nearly fifty years and I’m still not clear on what her powers are or how they work. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/68 "2021-01-18T14:29:38Z")
To those who know about Agatha, Scratch, and all that - could Wanda’s pregnancy end up Rosemary’s Baby on us? That for the children bit has some of that era’s horror film vibe. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/69 "2021-01-18T14:33:06Z")
In the comic books, EVERYTHING has already been done. [https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/88484.jpg](https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/88484.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/70 "2021-01-18T14:47:53Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I was really hoping episode 2 was going to at least parody something else, maybe 60s era TV instead, but it was just more of the same with new characters. I thought episode 2 _was_ 60s TV? Which is why I felt it worked better. The sets were more realistic, most of it was shot outside, there were many more camera angles. It wasn’t as stagey with obviously fake sets. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/71 "2021-01-18T14:50:14Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > > [@DSeid](#): > > > > But current canon allows anything to happen and IMHO that is not a good thing. > > Especially with that character. I’ve been reading stories with the Scarlet Witch in them for nearly fifty years and I’m still not clear on what her powers are or how they work. I’m not clear on her powers after 4 movies. Can she still warp minds like she did in Age of Ultron? Because she hasn’t used that power since. Mostly it’s just picking up stuff and throwing it with her mind. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/72 "2021-01-18T14:58:39Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I thought episode 2 _was_ 60s TV? Huh, was that the case? I thought the first two were 1950’s. Perhaps the second one was 1960’s and that is why African American characters were in it? I’m not saying none were in the first episode, but I noticed they had a more diverse cast in the second one. If they updated to the 60’s I barely noticed. If they go up one decade per episode, they’d be to 2020 in the 8th episode and the 9th episode could be non-sitcom. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/73 "2021-01-18T15:15:01Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > She then, with a simple sentence, reduced the mutant population to 100. [198](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/198_(Earth-616)). ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/74 "2021-01-18T16:29:02Z")
The first episode had the bewhiskered plot of a guy bringing his boss home for dinner at home - and all the wife did was cook and chat with her neighbor (inside the house) - very 1950s The second episode had the wife as part of a neighborhood “do-gooder” committee, and allowed her out of the house to interact with other folks. A slight move into the 60s/70s. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/75 "2021-01-18T16:45:43Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [198](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/198_(Earth-616)). I knew something felt off about my number and I couldn’t put my finger on it. I should have made the short walk to my bookshelf to check. I literally have a TPB called “The 198”. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/76 "2021-01-18T17:37:29Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But current canon allows anything to happen and IMHO that is not a good thing. As a fan of the movies but not the comics, that bothers me. If anything can happen, why bother watching? The “solution” in Endgame was deeply stupid, at least IMO. If that keeps up, or if they start going down the comic rabbit hole, with people acting out of character, and multi-verses, I’ll probably stop watching. At least I can still watch the existing movies again. To be fair, I loved Into The Spiderverse, but that’s different. it’s standalone. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/77 "2021-01-18T18:19:06Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I think you guys are misinterpreting the point of the sitcom concept. It’s not a parody, it’s a virtual environment Wanda has hidden herself away inside. Or someone has hidden her away inside. It could be that everyone else noticed this already and it goes without saying - but I’ll say it anyway. Episode 1 was the living room from the Dick Van Dyke show. The house layout was the same - similar wrap around couch, curved mid-century modern chairs. The dining table is where the Petrie’s dining table is. There’s a similar kitchen window. The kitchen layout is similar & had a back entrance, etc. etc. (DVD was a 60s show.) Episode 2 was a completely different house. (it kind of looks like the Bewitched house, but I haven’t watched anywhere near as many Bewitched reruns, so I can’t say as certainly, and I’m too lazy to rewind it to really dive in - but the fireplace and windows and staircase have a similar feel. Also, Bewitched flipped to color between its older and newer seasons) It’s also a different house exterior than episode 1. In a normal show, there’s often a huge change between the pilot and ep2 because the pilot is done before the series is purchased, then the show gets picked up, the show gets a bunch of money, they redo the set to make it easier to film (or because they now have a bunch of money), etc. None of those things are true for this show. It’s not how the pilot was made and even if it were, Disney/Marvel would have reshot it. So - brand new house for episode 2. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/78 "2021-01-18T18:40:44Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Or someone has hidden her away inside. It also just hit me - I’ve seen these shows, because I’m an American Gen-Xer who used to watch them on reruns after school on UHF. Wanda is about 10 years too young (millennials grew up with actual cable) and entirely too “Sokovian” for this to be something that she constructed for herself. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/79 "2021-01-18T18:54:23Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > It also just hit me - I’ve seen these shows, because I’m an American Gen-Xer who used to watch them on reruns after school on UHF. Wanda is about 10 years too young (millennials grew up with actual cable) and entirely too “Sokovian” for this to be something that she constructed for herself. Nah, I’m about the same age as Elizabeth Olsen, and I watched plenty of old sitcoms growing up. Even with cable, lots of afternoon programs were old shows. In Sokovia, these shows might have been her only exposure to American culture. ---
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