# WandaVision on Disney+ (spoilers after first post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 15, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618 "2021-01-15T18:52:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/81 "2021-01-18T19:02:26Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > If anything can happen, why bother watching? Because anything can happen? šŸ˜‰ I dunno, seems like a draw from my cheap seat. But weā€™ll see - Iā€™m still reserving judgement myself. But Iā€™m not hating it. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/82 "2021-01-18T19:12:57Z")
In addition, the opening credits of episode 1 were very reminiscent of the Dick Van Dyke Show, while episode 2ā€™s animated credits looked a lot like Bewitched. Episode 2 had a decidedly Bewitched-like plot as well, with Vision/Darren messing up his magic act, and Wanda/Samantha using her ā€œmagicā€ to get him out of his scrape. Itā€™s really more early-60s/late-60s than anything from the 50s. Regardless of her age, I agree that Wandaā€™s backstoryā€“growing up in a war-torn central European countryā€“wouldnā€™t give her nostalgic memories of American sitcom reruns. So it seems more likely that some outside influence is the source of this material. Per the end credits, there definitely seems to be someone watching all of this, and that person may be imposing this on Wanda as well. As to the whole ā€œBut the Vision is dead!ā€ debate, my answer is: this is comics. In the entire history of the genre, NO ONE has stayed dead. As Rick Jones once said, ā€œThree out of three people surveyed have died and come back to life.ā€ We might as well watch a musical and wonder why all those people keep singing. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/83 "2021-01-18T19:29:45Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > In addition, the opening credits of episode 1 were very reminiscent of the Dick Van Dyke Show, while episode 2ā€™s animated credits looked a lot like Bewitched. Episode 2 had a decidedly Bewitched-like plot as well, with Vision/Darren messing up his magic act, and Wanda/Samantha using her ā€œmagicā€ to get him out of his scrape. Itā€™s really more early-60s/late-60s than anything from the 50s. You know what else is a lot like those shows? Those shows are. You can find them on Nick at Night and MeTV and streaming channels all over the place. What does any of this have to do with Wanda and/or the Vision? If you know then you learned it somewhere else, not from watching this show. It was obvious in the first 10 minutes (maybe 2 minutes really) that Wanda and/or the Vision were living in an imaginary sitcom land. Everything after that has been repeating that one tidbit of info except those few points where the story is clearly incomplete. The plot not should be up to the midpoint of the first episode right now, not lingering on unchanged after two full episodes. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/84 "2021-01-18T19:32:02Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Because anything can happen? šŸ˜‰ > > I dunno, seems like a draw from my cheap seat. But weā€™ll see - Iā€™m still reserving judgement myself. But Iā€™m not hating it. Yet. Iā€™m liking it, and still see the no in universe rules that matter as a negative. > [@MrAtoz](#): > > Wandaā€™s backstoryā€“growing up in a war-torn central European countryā€“wouldnā€™t give her nostalgic memories of American sitcom reruns. A standard trope is that American sitcom reruns have a long extended life outside of the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/85 "2021-01-18T19:35:31Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Because anything can happen? šŸ˜‰ ā€œAnything Can Happen Dayā€ was The Mouskeketeers. Wait, that was Disney, too! I think youā€™re on to something. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/86 "2021-01-18T20:18:09Z")
If you donā€™t find the sitcom parts enjoyable on their own, then I can definitely see how the pace of the show would be annoying. In terms of the overarching MCU plot, thereā€™s been essentially nothing - just ā€œsomething weird is happening to themā€ and thatā€™s it. Now Iā€™ve been enjoying the sitcom stuff and the little moments of strangeness, but it certainly seems like there are a number of people who donā€™t find it interesting at all. I posted above that I think the focus of the show will gradually shift as the episodes pass, and I hope thatā€™s the case. I think part of the reason the strange moments work is that theyā€™re a contrast to the ā€œnormalā€ sitcom stuff, and itā€™s necessary to establish that normal stuff for the contrast to work. But now that the setup has happened, itā€™s not useful to re-do it every episode, so I think the sitcoms will take more of a back seat as the show progresses. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/87 "2021-01-18T20:23:54Z")
Yaā€™ll are making me feel old - all this talk of re-runs and stuff, when I watched those sit-coms on their first run! (well, tail end of The Dick Van Dyke Show - Iā€™m not quite as old as dirtā€¦) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/88 "2021-01-18T20:29:15Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I have no expectation. And even less now. Itā€™s showing me something, but what itā€™s showing me so far could be wrapped up in a few minutes. Your expectation is that the show should do things how you want them. You seem to want everything explained to you immediately. Though this show is broken up episodically, itā€™s one long story. Answers donā€™t come at the start, they come at the end. Give them the benefit of the doubt that the writers have a plan. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/89 "2021-01-18T21:19:35Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > If they updated to the 60ā€™s I barely noticed. Thereā€™s a song (canā€™t remember what) on the radio that time stamps the episode at 1965 or later. Thatā€™s the same year many sitcoms switched to color. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/90 "2021-01-18T21:32:07Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Give them the benefit of the doubt that the writers have a plan. Why should I do that? Storytelling requires a story, not one long drawn out ā€œOnceā€¦uponā€¦aā€¦timeā€¦ā€, and then followed by the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/91 "2021-01-18T21:35:16Z")
No reason why you have to, but this is a mini-series, so you might enjoy the full 9 episode miniseries. I love _Pleasantville_, so, so far this series is working for me. It might not for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/92 "2021-01-18T21:49:04Z")
The way I understand it, the series is broken up into acts. Act 1 (episodes 1-3) sets the storyin motion, Act 2 will propel the story, and Act 3 will resolve the story. Standard miniseries slow burn. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/93 "2021-01-18T21:50:29Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Thereā€™s a song (canā€™t remember what) on the radio that time stamps the episode at 1965 or later. Thatā€™s the same year many sitcoms switched to color. ā€œHelp Me Rhondaā€ played on the radio when she was cleaning up after the committee meeting. Iā€™m not sure what to make of the ā€œcommercialsā€ or what information theyā€™re trying to leak through to whom. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/94 "2021-01-18T21:55:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Storytelling requires a story, not one long drawn out ā€œOnceā€¦uponā€¦aā€¦timeā€¦ā€, and then followed by the same thing. ā€¦I mean, the episodes are only about 22 minutes long. How much ā€œstoryā€ were you expecting? Its okay that you donā€™t like it. Not every story works for everyone. But shows like Babylon 5 wouldnā€™t have worked nearly as well as it did if the first season and a half werenā€™t structured as the opening section of a novel. There obviously **is** a story here. Its just not clicking with you and thatā€™s just fine. But there is nothing inherently wrong with the way theyā€™ve chosen to tell the story: it is a risky choice because it obviously alienates viewers like you. But not everyone is like you. Regarding some of the spoilers and names that have popped up so far in this thread: I didnā€™t mention them in my original post because it became apparent that most people in the thread hadnā€™t didnā€™t know about any of it. But the cast notes and the trailers give huge amounts of spoiler information away. So thanks to the people who used the spoiler tags on some of that info šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/95 "2021-01-18T22:18:34Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Give them the benefit of the doubt that the writers have a plan. Hollywood needs to prove that to me even once before I trust them. Twin Peaks, Lost, X-files, Push Nevada, Strangeluck, Nowhere Man, John Doeā€¦ Though WV being only 9 episodes does give a good indication that there is a plan. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/96 "2021-01-18T22:26:44Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > There obviously **is** a story here. There is not an obvious story here. There probably is a story here and Iā€™ll watch enough to find out if there is. Itā€™s just a TV show, and there isnā€™t much new to look at anyway. But the necessary story points have to be included in the story or itā€™s just another Little Orphan Annie decoder pin. I didnā€™t pay good money to make this the last choice on a discount streaming combination package to have to get the CliffsNotes to find out what the story is about. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/97 "2021-01-18T22:37:11Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Iā€™m not sure what to make of the ā€œcommercialsā€ or what information theyā€™re trying to leak through to whom. The first one was for a Stark product, the second for a von Strucker. So they seem to be referring to her past traumas. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/98 "2021-01-18T22:40:46Z")
And the first one had a slogan of ā€œForget the past, this is your futureā€ which seems rather pointed. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/99 "2021-01-18T22:41:42Z")
And the second one was ā€œheā€™ll make time for youā€ which is also rather ominous. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/100 "2021-01-18T22:42:59Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The first one was for a Stark product, the second for a von Strucker. So they seem to be referring to her past traumas. A good theory I saw on Reddit (spoiling speculation): The two actors are Wandaā€™s dead parents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618.md?page=6)