# WandaVision on Disney+ (spoilers after first post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 15, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618 "2021-01-15T18:52:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/161 "2021-01-20T16:32:17Z")
Of course, but that doesn’t mean I expected this to be 95% a straight up homage to old TV. We knew it’d be weird, but I figured it’d, you know, be more than that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/162 "2021-01-20T17:27:09Z")
I am seeing more than that. I may end up being disappointed. I won’t be thrilled if everything gets handwaved away with magic and alternate timelines allowing anything. And not a huge fan of evil souls being reincarnated through immaculate conception with Wanda or attempts thereof (which may be where this is headed). But seeing defense mechanisms made literal by the telekinetic mind and over the next episodes seeing them breakdown? That is more fun than the typical supes fight scenes. Clear to me in ep one Mr Hart challenged her delusion too much with Mrs Hart begging for Wanda to stop killing him. She then let Vision save him. Ep two her being able to literally save Vision from the gum and make him normal again. The delusional world will gradually get challenged more and more. Not sure what bargaining and anger will look like as it intrudes. She’s not baseline ill like Legion was but whether by grief or something being done she is as much as he was and potentially as powerful. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/163 "2021-01-20T17:41:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Clear to me in ep one Mr Hart challenged her delusion too much with Mrs Hart begging for Wanda to stop killing him. She then let Vision save him. Is that what was happening? I thought Mrs Hart was telling Wanda to stop trying to remember the past. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/164 "2021-01-20T17:44:03Z")
I saw her on the surface telling Mr. Hart to stop acting like he was choking but then clearly getting more desperate until Wanda finally said “Save him Vision” with a bit of disgust. He then did and dinner is done. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/165 "2021-01-20T17:49:57Z")
And we never saw him again. Even though Kitty\* was at the talent show, Arthur was not there. \* Debra Jo Rupp will always be Kitty Forman ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/166 "2021-01-20T17:52:45Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But seeing defense mechanisms made literal by the telekinetic mind and over the next episodes seeing them breakdown? That is more fun than the typical supes fight scenes. Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/167 "2021-01-20T18:19:51Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > That is more fun than the typical supes fight scenes. I wonder if that’s part of the reason for the disappointment that some are having in this series up to this point. For me, the fight scenes were often the less interesting parts of the movies, but rather, who was fighting and why were far more interesting. Here we are, with an hour or so of content, and no fight scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/168 "2021-01-20T18:39:20Z")
No…the disappointment is entirely due to the fact that it was 2 episodes which were almost entirely a campy homage to bad TV sitcoms. There’s no balance between this weird conceit and the bigger comic book arc, assuming there is one. Plenty of Marvel IP, especially on TV, has long stretches with no fight scenes. We’re not 7 years old, we can manage a little exposition and character development. Why the resistance to simply accepting our criticism as being about what we say it’s about? The 50s sitcom was painful to watch, took a long time and didn’t reward us for enduring it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/169 "2021-01-20T18:45:04Z")
I’m guessing the “weirdness” will come into play more and more each episode. Episode 1 just had the choking scene. Episode 2 had the helicopter, the radio scene, and the beekeeper. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/170 "2021-01-20T18:52:05Z")
> Why the resistance to simply accepting our criticism as being about what we say it’s about? Maybe because you’re the same person that said this about anyone that doesn’t agree with you? > [@Omniscient](#): > > the people fawning over this show are such MCU fanboys that they can’t give a fair and honest assessment about what they’re watching. They will drink any koolaid that Disney pours out. Don’t ask for that which you will not give. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/171 "2021-01-20T19:03:29Z")
Yup, definitely too subtle. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/172 "2021-01-20T19:05:20Z")
If that’s what you call it. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/173 "2021-01-20T19:10:21Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Question for anyone surprised/disappointed by the sitcom format: Did you see any previews before watching or go in blind? Not judging, just curious. Yes, and I thought it would be something like flipping through channels and seeing them in various types of sitcoms/TV shows, kind of like the movie “Stay Tuned” where the main characters get stuck inside a variety of TV channels. Episode 1 was just a straight up 50s sitcom that wasn’t even truly a parody. It wasn’t tongue in cheek, or making fun of it, it was just played straight. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/174 "2021-01-20T19:11:45Z")
What I see is that you want it both ways, and it is anything but subtle. You want to invalidate the opinions of anyone that disagrees with you as kool aid drinkers, but then bristle at anyone challenging your opinions. You have a right to feel however you like about whatever you want, but when it goes from “I don’t like this” to “anyone that doesn’t hate this is an idiot”, then you’ve gone too far IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/175 "2021-01-20T19:13:30Z")
With ominous and dark undertones and clear indications that what we are seeing is not real and it is not going to end well. We are 2 episodes into a series. I don’t know about you guys, but if I know the entire plot and story of a book after chapter 2, I’m wondering why I should read the rest of it? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/176 "2021-01-20T19:14:58Z")
Yeah, I watched the first 30 minutes of The Usual Suspects, and it didn’t tell me who Keyser Soze was, so clearly the movie failed. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/177 "2021-01-20T19:15:58Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > ou want to invalidate the opinions of anyone that disagrees with you as kool aid drinkers, but then bristle at anyone challenging your opinions. Did you even read what that post was responding to? ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/178 "2021-01-20T19:18:50Z")
🙄 Again, I don’t think that _anyone_ has said that they wanted the whole plot explained in the first episode. We’re saying that 20+ minutes of a bad 50s sitcom plus 5 mins of interesting content still means we had to sit through 20 mins of a bad 50s sitcom. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/179 "2021-01-20T19:26:52Z")
FWIW I think the two versions have been beaten to death. The concept does not work in the eyes and eyebrows of a couple of us, and for others of us it does. Or at least we are hopeful that things will tie together in an interesting way as it progresses. As one of the latter I hear the view of the former loud and clear. You are entitled to that view. And to share it here. But really - some of us feel differently. Deal with that. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618/180 "2021-01-20T19:27:21Z")
Certain parts of fandom have become so toxic that I’ve seen that sentiment or ones like it so many times its ridiculous. Because it was ostensibly used in a sarcastic way this time does not negate the attempts to assert that only “the one true opinion” is correct that all over this thread. What if I told you that people _do_ understand your criticism and why you feel that way, but they. just. don’t. agree. My question is why is that so difficult for some to accept? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wandavision-on-disney-spoilers-after-first-post/930618.md?page=10)