I don’t think either argument is really on. I’m with the “whipped by a woman” line.
She controlled him to the degree that she even held his wallet for him. He’s a dumb but creative man, she’s an attractive, controlling woman who wants a taste of fame. I honestly don’t think it goes any deeper than that.
Well, yeah; I should have taken his dumbness into account.
I strongly disagree with y’all about Yoko Ono, but I have too much to do at the moment to pursue it.
And as far as Sharon Osborne, I see shades of her in Fran Drescher’s character! But I don’t think that was a specific reference either.
I think that Joe_Cool summed it up best.
Ian was competent, it was just a series of bad breaks. remember, philadelphia just wasn’t buying-when he said philly wasn’t a concert or college (whatever he said that it wasn’t) he was just greasing the band so that it wouldn’t hurt their attitude. when he was talking to howard hesseman (sp) he wasn’t sucking up, he was talking as with a peer. the humor was in hh just treating him like some off of the street dork.
also, i don’t even partly see the david is growing old and just grasping aspect. he had a girl or two with him in the “where are they now” scene. (also, i was thinking that that part was implied when he and nigel both had canker sores on their lips at the same interview…or am i projecting?) he didn’t seem to be worried about money at all, and the only one who brought up the aspect was, iirc, ian when he was trying to dis the concept of dressing them according to their astrological sign. she didn’t appear to be any kind of maintenance, either high or low, just went along with the band. also, any sap who is in love will think that he is lucky to have his particular girl. he was really in love and that helped to make him stupid enough to listen to her dumb ideas. when nigel blasted him for “having an angel hanging around our heads” i immediately thought of john and yoko. it was allegedly(?) the biz of having yoko hanging around the studio all of the time and john trying to ramrod some of her ideas onto the beatles that helped to break up the group. the beatles were in themselves quite formidable, but that fact didn’t help the beatles anymore than it helped ian to stop the janine as manager idea.
i can’t see any justification in the script for any of your ideas. it has to be in the script!i t has to!!i t has to!!!
<handsomeharry, script in hand, jumps up and down>
I think he’s dead.
However, people are aware that Ono apparently had a big influence on the Beatles’ later recordings. It doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not, only that people recognise the connection.
She had a big influence on Lennon, not the Beatles. She was present during the recording of the White Album, and again for Let It Be and some of Abbey Road. But look at those albums: all three guys (Ringo didn’t compose) were starting to go in different directions. The White Album was supposed to be a catch-all for whatever mood or style any of them wanted to try (and also a chance for Harrison to get some time). She only had an indirect effect on the band; Lennon’s compositions were different because of her, but so were Harrison’s and McCartney’s different from his and from each other’s. Revolution 9 wouldn’t have happened without her, but Lennon was always trying some kinda way to make people choke on their tea and scones. Who’s to say that he might not have done something else for shock effect, like setting some of his raunchy high-school poems to music?
At any rate, your last sentence doesn’t placate me. “It doesn’t matter if it’s true; people believe it?” gex gex, no offense, but honestly, that makes me think of the guy who was caught out publishing that propaganda about the signers of the Declaration, and then defended himself on the grounds that it didn’t have to be true as long as it made people feel patriotic. I repeat: Yoko did not order the Beatles around or give input on anyone’s music except Lennon’s. The fact that people believe she did does not make it true. Lupe Velez, anyone?
It’s all about the Little People dancing around the miniature Stonehenge. That’s it. That’s all.
Let me try to clarify what gex gex wrote for you:
It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, because for the purposes of comedy, people make the connection. So the joke works.
Lighten up a bit! Did you forget that we’re talking about a funny movie that made a big Yoko Ono joke? Jeanine broke up the band, the same way people envision Yoko breaking up the beatles. Whether she really did or not is immaterial for the purposes of the joke. The common perception is good enough whether true or not, because the joke works.
Yep, just like I said
What Joe_Cool said. Deconstructing humor to the level of fighting is truly a waste of ergs.
Take it easy, and just kick back and enjoy the satire.
SATIRE, I TELL YA !!!
:::Rilchiam shuffles feet:::
Yes, actually I did forget. Crimeny…Look, it was an odd hour when I read gex gex’s post, and I saw it independently from the thread. I remember now that the film is a satire, and that I started the thread to discuss the film, not to discuss the Beatles. It works as a reference; I just failed to realize that gex was making a reference, not an allegation.
Carry on! Or should I say “Rock on!”
:::Rilchiam stumbles out, setting off the metal detector en route:::
well, i had a million good replies there and it all sorted it out self out in the end. um… goodo.