# Want to see Ann Coulter get fucking OWNED on Canadian TV? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956 "2005-02-02T06:25:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/21 "2005-02-02T10:01:30Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Canada _didn’t_ send troops to Vietnam… In a technical sense, yes, they did. [Cite.](http://www.img.forces.gc.ca/commelec/brhistory/anxa_e.htm) > [@](#): > > …but individual Canadians were free to join the U.S. military, and thousands did so. Indeed. Why, you could amost say that Canadians fought in Vietnam. It’s you guys tacking on the ‘What she really meant was the government’ bit. ---
**Author:** ![Spooky\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Spooky\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spooky_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/22 "2005-02-02T10:13:14Z")
Canada?..Canadians? Canada?..Canadians? Naaaah no fucking difference there **Brutus** you fucking drooling half-wit embarrassment to your fucking species. Do you really get your pathetic rocks off on being such a slavering goon? Idiot idiot idiot idiot fucking scum sucking fucking retard idiot wanker. Arsehole. Absolute fucking gap-toothed arsehole of a man. Cunt. (whew I feel better now) ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/23 "2005-02-02T10:18:06Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Indeed. Why, you could amost say that Canadians fought in Vietnam. It’s you guys tacking on the ‘What she really meant was the government’ bit. Coulter specifically said “Canada _sent_ troops”. What does that mean? It means the government, of course. Ten of thousands of Irish citizens fought with the British in WWII, but neutral Ireland did not “send troops”. You don’t _have_ to weasel all the time when a conservative pundit is shown wrong. Or perhaps I impugn your motives: I agree she’s a hottie, but don’t let your chivalry get in the way of the fact that she was off the mark. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/24 "2005-02-02T10:18:30Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Indeed. Why, you could amost say that Canadians fought in Vietnam. It’s you guys tacking on the ‘What she really meant was the government’ bit. So you’d be happy to describe the USA as having “sent” John Walker Lindh to fight against its own army, then? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/25 "2005-02-02T10:28:46Z")
QUOTE=Spooky Action]Canada?..Canadians?.. [/QUOTE] Curious. > [@jjimm](#): > > Coulter specifically said “Canada _sent_ troops”. What does that mean? It means the government, of course… Well, as I cited above, Canada-the-government _did_ send troops to Vietnam, as did Canada-the-people. Take your pick of semantics, but Ann was correct. > [@Dead Badger](#): > > So you’d be happy to describe the USA as having “sent” John Walker Lindh to fight against its own army, then? How many Canadians in Vietnam were prosecuted upon their return? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/26 "2005-02-02T10:32:47Z")
Wow, **Spooky** hates **Brutus’** guts in one month! That’s the record, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/27 "2005-02-02T10:36:07Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > How many Canadians in Vietnam were prosecuted upon their return? Irrelevant - failure to prosecute an action is not equivalent to ordering it. Try another example, though - do you get “sent” on holiday by the government? Do they pick out your destination? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/28 "2005-02-02T10:40:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wow, **Spooky** hates **Brutus’** guts in one month! That’s the record, isn’t it? Not at all. A few ‘guests’ have taken a (dis)liking to me in the past. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/29 "2005-02-02T10:40:35Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Well, as I cited above, Canada-the-government _did_ send troops to Vietnam, as did Canada-the-people. Take your pick of semantics, but Ann was correct. Are you fucking kidding me? Coulter said “Canada sent troops to Vietnam” only a fucking morong would read that as anything but ‘The government of Canada sent troops to fight in the Vietnam war’ not a peacekeeping mission afterwards. Are you a fucking moron Brutus? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/30 "2005-02-02T10:41:47Z")
Depends on what you call “troops”, I guess. Canada sent “peace keepers” and diplomats because it was a member of the International Control Commission, which supervised the French Indochina ceasefire beginning in 1954. Canada also sent quite a lot of arms and equipment to Vietnam to help the US, including TNT and Agent Orange. > **[CBC Archives](https://www.cbc.ca/archives)** > > CBC archives - Canada's home for news, sports, lifestyle, comedy, arts, kids, music, original series & more. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/31 "2005-02-02T10:46:09Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > QUOTE=Spooky Action]How many Canadians in Vietnam were prosecuted upon their return? Well, quite a few, if by “prosecuted” you’re generous enough to include “screwed out of legitimately-earned benefits”, as many of the Canadian vets claimed. So, if Canada “sent” those men to Vietnam, did the U.S. “send” Lindh to Afghanistan? It’s exactly the reference I’d’ve made, had Badger not beaten me to it. If “prosecution” is somehow relevant (and I can’t imagine how), then I poit out the numerous Americans who travelled north to Canada to enlist prior to December 7, 1941. If the U.S. was “sending” them to do so, then the U.S. was a de facto participant in World War II, and thus it was perfectly within the rules of war for Japan to attack. You could even say Japan was nobly defending its German ally and the attack on Pearl Harbor was completely justified. I know humour often has an element of hostility, Brutus, but your alleged “jokes” have _only_ hostility, with no real wit or originality to them. If you’ve ever bothered to wonder why you inspire such dislike, you might consider working on that. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/32 "2005-02-02T10:49:13Z")
For the record, Reagan gave them benefits. See previously linked page of articles. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/33 "2005-02-02T10:52:14Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Not at all. A few ‘guests’ have taken a (dis)liking to me in the past. **Spooky Action** does seem to have an inordinately passionate dislike for **Brutus** , I must say. I noticed it right away just skimming through the thread. But hang in there, **Brutus**. Keep fighting the good fight (although why you would want to subject yourself to this kind of abuse over such a tempest-in-a-teapot issue remains unclear to me). 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/34 "2005-02-02T11:05:19Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Heh, you guys are really showing your commitment to the facts here. (Not that mere ‘facts’ ever stopped you before.) Physician, heal thyself! [Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War) [The Final Declarations of the Geneva Conference July 21, 1954.](http://vietnam.vassar.edu/doc2.html) [During the years 1954 to 1975 Canada served on 2 international truce commissions and provided medical supplies and technical assistance.](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/1588/) Coulter’s rhetoric was obviously in regards to Canada acting in concordance and alliance with America. > [@](#): > > Canada used to be one of our most loyal friends and vice-versa. I mean Canada sent troops to Vietnam - was Vietnam less containable and more of a threat than Saddam Hussein When, in fact, Canada did not send troops as part of any war effort, but as part of a peacekeeping force. At best Coulter, and you, are distorting facts. At worst she’s a partisan shill and you’re, well, you know. Final Analysis: Canada did not participate in Vietnam as an American ally as Coulter claims. She’s wrong, and a partisan hack. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/35 "2005-02-02T11:09:30Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > If the U.S. was “sending” them to do so, then the U.S. was a de facto participant in World War II… And I have said just that in the past. What do you think we would do to a country that openly engaged in ‘Lend-Lease’ type behavior with Al Queda? The problem with Japan is that there were no declarations of hostility prior to their attack. But here is an idea: Stop with the stupid comparisons. Canada-the-governemt sent troops to Vietnam under some peacekeeping mission. (Tied to the peace talks). Canada-the-people sent troops to Vietnam via enlistment in our own Army. End. Of. Story. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > **Spooky Action** does seem to have an inordinately passionate dislike for **Brutus** , I must say. I noticed it right away just skimming through the thread. Ya. Curious that, but whatever floats his boat… > [@](#): > > But hang in there, **Brutus**. Keep fighting the good fight (although why you would want to subject yourself to this kind of abuse over such a tempest-in-a-teapot issue remains unclear to me). They are _all_ good fights. Some people seem to think they should get a free pass to bash with wild abandon; If inserting a few facts sends them into such fits of idignation, well, nothing to be done about that. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/36 "2005-02-02T11:15:02Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Canada-the-people sent troops to Vietnam via enlistment in our own Army. End. Of. Story. Bullshit. End of story. Canada-the-people? Is this some weird communist propaganda **Brutus**? Did a bunch of Canadians get together and vote on who to send to Vietnam? Canada-the-people did jack shit. Some Canadians, of their own free will, chose to participate in the war effort. It is obfuscatory and dishonest to claim that the Canadian people ‘sent’ them. Unless, of course, America-the-people really did send Lindh to Iraq to fight against our military. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/37 "2005-02-02T11:20:53Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > They are _all_ good fights. Indeed. Thanks for reminding me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/38 "2005-02-02T11:32:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > When, in fact, Canada did not send troops as part of any war effort, but as part of a peacekeeping force. I can’t see in your cites where it says Canada ever sent any troops at all. The Wikipedia article says this about the 1954 stuff: > [@](#): > > During the first conflict between France and the Indo-China nationalist and communist parties Canada remained uninvolved but **provided modest diplomatic and economic support to the French**. Behind the scenes Canadian diplomats tried to discourage both France and the United States from escalating the conflict in a part of the world Canadians had decided was not strategically vital. No mention of troops, and no mention of any post-war involvement, either. Your second cite doesn’t mention Canada at all. Your third cite only says: > [@](#): > > During the years 1954 to 1975 Canada served on 2 international truce commissions and provided medical supplies and technical assistance. Canadian diplomats were involved in negotiations between Washington and Hanoi and successive Canadian governments, both Liberal and Conservative, maintained that Ottawa was an impartial and objective peacekeeper, an innocent and helpful bystander negotiating for peace and administering aid to victims of the war. Nothing about troops there. Remember what **Brutus** ’s cite said: > [@](#): > > INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION FOR SUPERVISION AND CONTROL CAMBODIA, LAOS AND VIETNAM Authorized under the Geneva Accords 20 - 21 July 1954 to ensure the cease fire was obeyed, to assist in restoring order as military forces transferred to their respective areas and to control the entry of unauthorized military personnel and war materiel. Ceased to function in all areas 17 June 1974… > > INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION FOR CONTROL AND SUPERVISION SOUTH VIETNAM. Authorized in January 1973 to monitor the cease fire in South Vietnam, supervise the exchange of prisoners and to ensure no build up of military equipment. Canada ceased operations in July 1973. That cite doesn’t mention troops, either. > [@Brutus](#): > > If inserting a few facts sends them into such fits of idignation, well, nothing to be done about that. Fair enough, but, um, where are the facts you speak of? ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/39 "2005-02-02T11:33:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wow, **Spooky** hates **Brutus’** guts in one month! That’s the record, isn’t it? How about that. I thought Brutus-hating was an acquired taste. And here comes this wee lad, lowly newbie, and think he storm in here and indulge in Brutus-hating like it’s a goddamn fast-food joint! Children have no respect these days! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/40 "2005-02-02T11:37:53Z")
**Desmostylus** : A very good point. I’ve been trying to find a cite on the number of Canadian troops sent as peacekeepers, and I can’t find one. Perhaps I was giving **Brutus** too much credit… Just because Canada was operating in a diplomatic capacity does not mean they had boots on the ground. Curiouser and curiouser. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956.md?page=3)