# Want to see Ann Coulter get fucking OWNED on Canadian TV? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 2, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956 "2005-02-02T06:25:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rodd\_Hill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3ab097/32.png) [@Rodd\_Hill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rodd_Hill)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/101 "2005-02-02T17:49:59Z")
Facts of Canadian **official** military presence in Vietnam, 1956: [http://www.cda-cdai.ca/symposia/2004/Theobald,%20Andrew-Paper.pdf](http://www.cda-cdai.ca/symposia/2004/Theobald,%20Andrew-Paper.pdf) (PDF file, the very detailed account of Canada’s participation in ICSC is about half-way down). To quote the above, > [@](#): > > Canada’s ICSC contribution consisted of over 125 officers, including 1 General for each of the three commissions, and 31 other ranks. This represented an especially large commitment of French-speaking personnel to former French colonies. The navy and air force supplied three observers each, acting in the same role as army officers, while a major civilian component encompassed dozens of External Affairs functionaries, clerks, cryptographers, and even a public relations branch. And in 1973: [http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group06/icmvn](http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/group06/icmvn) Quote from above: > [@](#): > > The ICCS medal was awarded for 90 days service with the Commission between 28 January 1973 and 31 July 1973…Canada contributed 240 Canadian Forces personnel and 50 officials from the Department of External Affairs. (ellipses mine). It seems likely to me that Coulter mistakenly believed that we had combat troops in Indochina/Vietnam, which is patently _not_ the case. However, I suspect that she will glom onto the fact that there _were_ uniformed Canadians in-country, sent by our government, to weasel out of an embarassing situation. For those interested, here is the official list of historic and current “peacekeeping” missions undertaken by the Canadian Armed Forces, with personnel numbers. This list includes UN, non-UN, and NATO missions: [http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp](http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/102 "2005-02-02T17:52:02Z")
That’s the link I gave. Maybe you’ll have better luck with it. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/103 "2005-02-02T17:53:56Z")
> [@Spooky Action](#): > > Lordy! Which one of your personas are you today **Libertarian**? You aren’t exactly being subtle, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Nimosin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/57b2e6/32.png) [@Nimosin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nimosin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/104 "2005-02-02T17:58:24Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Depends on what you call “troops”, I guess. Canada sent “peace keepers” and diplomats because it was a member of the International Control Commission, which supervised the French Indochina ceasefire beginning in 1954. Canada also sent quite a lot of arms and equipment to Vietnam to help the US, including TNT and Agent Orange. > > [CBC Archives](http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-71-1413/conflict_war/vietnam/) Let me make this easy. Even with the loosest definition, arms, equipment, TNT and Angent Orange are not “troops.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/105 "2005-02-02T17:59:44Z")
> [@](#): > > _Grey said_ > … but an editorial bias in a private newspaper is different from a slant from a publicly funded crown corp. I never read the Toronto Star but you are correct as far as public policy goes and what’s “allowable”. I was merely disagreeing that CBC interviewers are rabid lefties and offered a better example of a slanted source in Canada. Even if I agree that CBC staff may be generally left of centre on an American scale re social issues, I’m not sure they would mirror Coulter’s spot on the right. YMMV. It should be remembered that Canada’s economy is completely intertwined and in large part actually owned by American interests. This was the case during Vietnam as well, which led to Canada being (one of?) the largest importer(s) of war goods to the US for use in that war. Then, as now, Canada has little choice but to support the American military effort in some manner. The supply of troops can be seen as strong censure against not going through the UN. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/106 "2005-02-02T18:02:33Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > That’s the link I gave. Maybe you’ll have better luck with it. Since he drew very different conclusions, perhaps he will. It appears that you used the information to suggest that the reporter was wrong. But as to the other matter, you are entirely right. My heartfelt secret desire is to have the ability to whine like a puss about what people here are calling me. Help me! Please be my simpering puss sherpa. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/107 "2005-02-02T18:03:51Z")
Aaarg: “The **decision to not supply troops** can be seen as a strong censure against not going through the UN.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/108 "2005-02-02T18:17:45Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > But here is an idea: Stop with the stupid comparisons. > > … > > You aren’t exactly being subtle, you know. This is far more hilarious that any Coulter interview. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/109 "2005-02-02T18:30:16Z")
As a minor note regarding context: Coulter’s statement that led into this whole Vietnam thing was the following: > [@](#): > > Canada used to be one of our most loyal friends and vice-versa _Used_ to be? By any measure and with none of this pointless hairsplitting, Canada’s _official_ presence in Afghanistan was (and still is) far larger, better armed and hugely more combat-ready than its official presence in Vietnam _ever_ was. In fact, calling the Vietnam years a period of _greater_ friendship is downright bizarre. The Iraq War has so distorted things in Coulter’s world that she can’t tell friend from foe any more. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/110 "2005-02-02T18:32:04Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You are who again? What? Too high on the horse to look down at the little people? Point being – as you continually appear to miss it – that you’re a pathetic yet petulant a-hole, putting on your usual display of misguided logic in order to defend the indefensible. Try to pound this through your incredibly thick skull: no matter how you attempt to twist the FACTS, Canada did NOT participate ALONGSIDE the USA in their criminal endeavour in Vietnam. IPOF, as already demonstrated by **kingpengvin** , both Pearson and Trudeau openly spoke out _against_ the American war efforts. How any sane person could infer from the known facts that Canada somehow supported and participated in the Vietnam debacle is beyond me. Or maybe not – operative word being “sane.” Oh, BTW, I don’t give two shits whether you “know” me or not. So don’t bother asking. Fuckin’ contrarian loon. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/111 "2005-02-02T18:38:02Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > What? Too high on the horse to look down at the little people? Point being – as you continually appear to miss it – that you’re a pathetic yet petulant a-hole, putting on your usual display of misguided logic in order to defend the indefensible. You’re a hopeless dumbass. As already covered, the “who again” is a reference to the poster’s status as a returned former user, not as a newbie. Try to keep up in the future. > [@](#): > > Try to pound this through your incredibly thick skull: no matter how you attempt to twist the FACTS, Canada did NOT participate ALONGSIDE the USA in their criminal endeavour in Vietnam. IPOF, as already demonstrated by **kingpengvin** , both Pearson and Trudeau openly spoke out _against_ the American war efforts. And sent uniformed personnel (most people call these “troops”) all the same. > [@](#): > > How any sane person could infer from the known facts that Canada somehow supported and participated in the Vietnam debacle is beyond me. Or maybe not – operative word being “sane.” So, you’re saying that the Canadian government is lying about its [own involvement](http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp)? > [@](#): > > Oh, BTW, I don’t give two shits whether you “know” me or not. So don’t bother asking. I know you. You’re a pathetic dick, but at least you have the courage to identify yourself. > [@](#): > > Fuckin’ contrarian loon. Fucking leftist hand-wringing knee-chomper. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/112 "2005-02-02T18:38:42Z")
PS-To those that find Coulter “attractive,” remember, this is The Straight Dope. No need to sugarcoat things; it’s OK to tell us about your equine fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/113 "2005-02-02T18:49:35Z")
> [@](#): > > _Liberal said:_ > And sent uniformed personnel (most people call these “troops”) all the same. I think most people would only call them “troops” if they were armed and might be authorized to enter combat. That does not seem to be the case here. It seems a very brass heavy contingent was sent as observers. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/114 "2005-02-02T19:17:27Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You’re a hopeless dumbass. As already covered, the “who again” is a reference to the poster’s status as a returned former user, not as a newbie. Try to keep up in the future. Keep up? With your tripe? What on earth for? Seen enough of your backpedals and absurd bickering when caught in a hole – namely, most of the time – to last me several lifetimes. And just in case I’d forgotten, this very reply of yours is just such an example. To wit: > [@](#): > > And sent uniformed personnel (most people call these “troops”) all the same. In what _capacity_, you disingenuous twit? Not exactly a chimp you’re talking to, ya know. > [@](#): > > So, you’re saying that the Canadian government is lying about its [own involvement](http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/missions-en.asp)? Just what the fuck does that cite have to do with what you’re _responding_ to? When in hole, quit digging, scuzzball. > [@](#): > > I know you. You’re a pathetic dick, but at least you have the courage to identify yourself. I can also rub my tummy and pat my head at the same time – which is a lot more than can be said about the likes of you. > [@](#): > > Fucking leftist hand-wringing knee-chomper. Mustta fried your one remaining braincell coming up with that one. ::::::::snooooooooze:::::::: ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/115 "2005-02-02T19:24:36Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Canada-the-governemt sent troops to Vietnam under some peacekeeping mission. (Tied to the peace talks). Canada-the-people sent troops to Vietnam via enlistment in our own Army. Why are you spamming the thread with irrelevancies? The fact is that she claimed that the Canadian government sent troops to fight in the Vietnam War (Clintonian attempts to parse the statement to mean something else notwithstanding), and was shown to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/116 "2005-02-02T19:36:31Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > If peacekeepers are counted, the Canada [did](http://members.shaw.ca/cvpeace/canadianstoiraq.html) send troops to Iraq: she’s wrong either way. Why did this get missed? Seems to me to end the whole argument. If “peacekeepers” count, than Canada has done now exactly as it has done in Vietnam; so claiming that Canada has somehow ‘worsened’ since then is bogus. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/117 "2005-02-02T19:58:00Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You’re a hopeless dumbass. As already covered, the “who again” is a reference to the poster’s status as a returned former user, not as a newbie. Try to keep up in the future Then report it to the mods-like we’re actually supposed to do? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/118 "2005-02-02T20:44:40Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Why did this get missed? Seems to me to end the whole argument. > > If “peacekeepers” count, than Canada has done now exactly as it has done in Vietnam; so claiming that Canada has somehow ‘worsened’ since then is bogus. I don’t think anyone is making the argument that Coulter was right. Some of us are making the argument that the CBC reporter was ALSO wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/119 "2005-02-02T20:46:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Then report it to the mods-like we’re actually supposed to do? How do you know that hasn’t been done? Can’t you go pad your postcount somewhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2005, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/want-to-see-ann-coulter-get-fucking-owned-on-canadian-tv/287956/120 "2005-02-02T20:55:57Z")
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