I don’t believe you either.
More charitably, either your friend was a liar, or the story got garbled somehow.
Both the north and the south won.
I just had occasion to research some Confederate pension applications dating from the 1880s to around 1900. The application forms do refer to the conflict as The War Between the States.
But again, I never heard anybody get exercised about the nomenclature when I was growing up, except in a tongue-in-cheek way.
Some southerners refer to it as the Second American Revolution.
The odd thing is that this is what it was called in my family even though we lived in the North and didn’t get here until like 1922. Never found out why.
I believe the Constitution (Amendment XIV, of course) refers to it using terms such as “rebellion” and “insurrection.”
Never mind, already posted/
I don’t give a fuck what you believe, I’m not a liar, and what I posted was not a lie.
It can be entirely untrue without being a lie on your part.
Come to think of it, I’ve seen 19th century war memorials (in the North) that refer to it as the “War of the Rebellion”. (Which probably wouldn’t be too popular amongst the die-hard pro-Confederates as yet another alternative to Civil War/War Between the States/the Late Unpleasantness/etc.)
ETA: Which point I see was already made on page 1, but geez, that was almost a month ago.
A blogger I follow calls it “The Slaver’s Rebellion”
This was my experience in Texas; I don’t remember it being called anything else. Not officially anyway.
The Wiki article referenced in the second post of this thread refers to Juneteeth as a celebration of the day the war ended. It is actually a celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation, IIRC. Although I’ve heard Juneteenth actually celebrates the date that news of the Emancipation first reached Texas but I don’t have a cite for that.
I suppose this is true in a technical sense. The southern states are all now part of the United States again and the United States won the war.
I don’t see, however, anyway you can spin it that the North lost.
No way in hell any teacher would believe or try to convince others that the South won the Civil War. The very idea is ludicrous. Your friend was either lying to you, or the story has been garbled in the retelling. That’s the problem with hearsay. (Perhaps there was a debate about whether the outcome of a particular battle was a Southern victory or a Northern victory? That might be plausible.)
I read through a magazine produced by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in the 1910s explaining why War Between the States was more accurate than Civil War. The reason why Southerners preferred the former rather than the latter was because they viewed the Confederacy as a nation independent nations. So the war wasn’t between the various states within the former union, the war in their view was between the Confederate States of America and the United States of America. The War Between the States.
Anyone who believes it is the victors alone who write the history books is sadly mistaken. Thucydides, one of the west’s earliest historians, wrote one of the most compelling and comprehensive accounts of the Peloponnesian War we have and he was on the losing side. Mexican historians certainly cover La intervención norteamericana that began in 1846. So why wouldn’t the former Confederate states write their own histories as well?
They did. And a big part of their interpretation of the past idealized the Confederacy, the institution of slavery and the reasons for secession. Part of referring to the war as the WBTS was an attempt to romanticize it.
Odesio
I’m pretty sure that more than one was involved.
{runs away}
Yes. From The Handbook of Texas:
The article goes on to explain how Juneteenth celebrations declined, then became popular once again.
This year’s celebration at Miller Theater, in Hermann Park.
D’oh - my typo, not his.
Around here we call it the Ptavv War.