# War Plans Signal Screwup- The Atlantic is publishing the full messages **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 26, 2025, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136 "2025-03-26T12:54:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/61 "2025-03-26T17:26:57Z")
What does “DARVO like a DV bf when questioned” mean? I assume DV is domestic violence? Back To The OP We are so very deeply screwed MAGA are such massive hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/62 "2025-03-26T17:29:13Z")
DARVO: “deny, attack, reverse victim & offender” ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/63 "2025-03-26T17:30:18Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/64 "2025-03-26T17:31:05Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > > [@Railer13](#): > > > > I was certain that I read that there another principal with the initials ‘JG’ that probably was the person that should have been invited, but I cannot find that information now. > > OK, I found this on a Thread, FWIW: > > > Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg was added as “JG” to the Signal group chat. The “JG” Mike Waltz meant to add most likely was Jamieson Greer, US Trade Rep (cabinet) who often attends National Security Council meetings. Thank you for that. The advantage of internal communications channels is that only those in your enterprise are in the contacts list. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/65 "2025-03-26T17:39:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The advantage of internal communications channels is that only those in your enterprise are in the contacts list. Enterprise? Now I want to write a Star Trek original series skit where Trump and the rest are the crew. “I kinna change the laws of physics, captain Trump!” “Listen- I know physics. I am a physicist- the best physicist ever! A very stable genius! We just need to drop a glass of water on the dilithium crystals-” Ship explodes. The End. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/66 "2025-03-26T17:42:17Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > [https://i.postimg.cc/HnPKxK3F/Screenshot-20250326-142212.jpg](https://i.postimg.cc/HnPKxK3F/Screenshot-20250326-142212.jpg) I tried to open the image in Safari, Firefox, Edge, and Chrome, and it wouldn’t open in any of them. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/67 "2025-03-26T17:42:21Z")
Please substitute company, organization, venture or employer for enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/68 "2025-03-26T18:02:30Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I didn’t read through this thread yet, but I ran across this last night: I’ve copied it, and am posting it to make it easier to read. [Author and post statistics deleted, DARVO definition added.] > **The Hegseth Signal Scandal is not just a mistake** > > Thread: The Hegseth Signal Scandal is not just a mistake. It’s a sign that the fascist coup is sloppy, dangerous, and fully operational. This wasn’t “oops, wrong text.” It was Project 2025 protocol in action. Here’s why this has intelligence vets raging and democracies trembling: > > 1/ The U.S. government-yes, the one run by Trump’s handpicked fascists-accidentally added a journalist to a group Signal chat where they were actively planning strikes in Yemen. The chat included the Secretary of Defense, CIA, State Department, and a guy in Moscow. > > 2/ They literally texted a live operation over an app not authorised for classified material, and one of them was geolocated in Russia at the time. You couldn’t write this into an episode of Veep. No one would believe it. > > 3/ To intelligence professionals, this wasn’t just a scandal. It was an extinction-level event for national security norms. OPSEC? Dead. Chain of command? Who? Accountability? Deleted faster than a disappearing message. > > 4/ People are joking because it’s absurd-but this is deadly serious. Project 2025 explicitly calls for government officials to use comms systems outside FOIA and subpoena reach. This is not incompetence. It’s the plan. > > 5/ What we saw was proof of concept: A rogue administration testing how far they can go before anyone stops them. Unsecured apps. No oversight. No paper trail. Just war plans in a group chat. Chat, we okay? > > 6/ Mil and intel vets certainly are not These are people who spent decades sweating bullets not to leak the day of an exercise. They’ve been court-martialed for less than what Hegseth just did from his hotel bed. > > 7/ “I’d have been in Leavenworth.” > > “I got chewed out for OPSEC on a train.” > > “I spent 6 years guarding what this moron blew in 2 months.” > > That’s the tone from the people who actually protected that country. Now they’re > > 8/ The person who shouldn’t have been trusted with the minibar just leaked a live operation to the editor of The Atlantic-and he’ll still be employed tomorrow. No hearings. No resignations. No charges. Welcome to the Banana Republic of Signalstan. > > 9/ This isn’t a bug. This is exactly how the fascist movement avoids consequences: > > • Undermine institutions > > • Use backchannels > > • Move fast, break OPSEC > > • DARVO like a DV bf when questioned [DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender] > > 10/ Think about what happens next time. Now every hostile foreign intel agency has learned one thing: You don’t need to hack the U.S. government. Just wait for them to text each other the war plans like idiots. > > 11/ And if you think this was a one-off mistake, you > > haven’t been paying attention. It’s all part of a system designed to erase oversight and do whatever the hell they want-without trace, without shame, and without accountability. > > 12/ The terrifying truth? The U.S. is no longer a country with rules. It’s a failed, lawless state being run by group chat. And instead of a court-martial, they’ll get a Fox News hit and a campaign donation. > > 13/ If you’re not furious, you’re not paying attention. And if you still think this is politics as usual-you’re already in the new regime. This is how a government collapses: Not with a bang, but a fucking Signal ping. > > (End of thread) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/69 "2025-03-26T18:40:25Z")
I disagree with the general sense here that this was a planned action. The 4d chess theory should be dead. There’s no evidence that Trump is a mastermind who’s only playing dumb. The reality is that Trump really is as dumb as he appears. And his administration is a bunch of third raters who were willing to pledge absolute loyalty to Trump. This was not another step in some great master plan for world domination. This was a fuck up by a bunch of idiots who think they already own the world. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/70 "2025-03-26T18:44:27Z")
Using Signal instead of official, secure channels was probably planned. Including the editor in chief of a news periodical probably wasn’t. Although, it’s still remarkable that it was the editor in chief, not just some random reporter, which will be convenient to the administration when they inevitably try to charge him with espionage or related crimes. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/71 "2025-03-26T18:49:39Z")
Remember Lysenko and Lysenko-ism? For those who don’t, Lysenko was a Soviet scientist. His work was scientifically invalid and crap. But, he was very loyal and kept praising the leadership of the Soviet Union. He kept getting promoted. Scientists doing actual science with the aim of helping people said his work was crap. They were killed or shipped off to gulags. I have no idea when, if ever, this stopped. OTTOMH, the scientists in charge of designing, building and operating Chernobyl were given the jobs mostly because they were loyal citizens. We know how that worked out. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/72 "2025-03-26T18:57:12Z")
The admin could a. admit that a screw-up occurred, take responsibility, and make sure it doesn’t happen again; or b. announce that Signal is the standard for all communications and that there is no such thing as “classified”, retroactive to March 1. My money is on (b). ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/73 "2025-03-26T19:00:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s no evidence that Trump is a mastermind who’s only playing dumb. The reality is that Trump really is as dumb as he appears. And his administration is a bunch of third raters who were willing to pledge absolute loyalty to Trump. Trump wasn’t even in on the plan, nor did he need to be for this conversation. What daddy doesn’t know, he can’t deny. These dolts just played their own game of “no consequences” like usual. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/74 "2025-03-26T19:01:46Z")
The White House press secretary described Goldberg as “a Trump-hater who is well-known for his sensationalist spin.” Which leads me to wonder, so why would you include such a person in your private discussion? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/75 "2025-03-26T19:02:04Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I disagree with the general sense here that this was a planned action. I don’t know what “this” refers to here. I think it’s obvious they planned to use Signal instead of approved channels so they could get around data retention policies and hide their actions from any current or future investigations. I don’t think they meant to include the Atlantic editor, though. They cared more about avoiding any accountability than they did about operational security, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/76 "2025-03-26T19:03:20Z")
More precisely, you could say that they cared about a different sort of operational security. And then royally screwed that up in the worst way possible. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/77 "2025-03-26T19:03:34Z")
That they would revert – again – to this kind of patently asinine argument _really_ disgusts me for one reason: they know it will be a compelling argument for the Trump base. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/78 "2025-03-26T19:04:31Z")
And her most damning accusation against Goldberg; he is a registered Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/79 "2025-03-26T19:04:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > More precisely, you could say that they cared about a different sort of operational security. This is an excellent point. They put the operational security of their little coup, to hide their activities, against the operational security of our armed forces and their operations. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/80 "2025-03-26T19:07:59Z")
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