# War Plans Signal Screwup- The Atlantic is publishing the full messages **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 26, 2025, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136 "2025-03-26T12:54:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/101 "2025-03-26T20:29:15Z")
Thanks! I know Lysenko was addressed on one of the new episodes of Cosmos with Neil Degrasse Tyson, I missed most of the episode due to poor reception. IIRC Lysenko is mentioned in one of Paradox Press Big Book series. I think it was The Big Book Of Bad in the Bad Science section. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/102 "2025-03-26T20:31:00Z")
There are new episodes of Cosmos? I think I saw one season with NDT. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/103 "2025-03-26T20:46:04Z")
My mistake. I meant new as opposed to the original Cosmos with Carl Sagan. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/104 "2025-03-26T20:48:26Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > It is a meme of a teary eyed Musk saying " **you guys have a group chat?**" Ah. I saw that meme earlier today, or yesterday. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/105 "2025-03-26T22:26:16Z")
Yep, that was my take away as well. Also look at the “Make Europe pay” bits. They really do believe that the US is getting ripped off. It’s not “trolling” or “a negotiation strategy”, it’s what they really believe. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/106 "2025-03-26T22:31:28Z")
Oooh! It gets better! Maybe this one deserves its own thread but I’ll put it here for now since it seems in the same vein of screwups: Full Title: **REPORT: Passwords of Top U.S. Security Officials Found Online – Hegseth, Gabbard, Waltz Among Those Affected** > **[REPORT: Passwords of Top U.S. Security Officials Found Online – Hegseth,...](https://www.mediaite.com/news/report-passwords-of-top-u-s-security-officials-found-online-hegseth-gabbard-waltz-among-those-affected/)** > > Passwords and private information belonging to top national security officials in the Trump administration have been found online, according to the German publication Der Spiegel. > Passwords and private information belonging to top national security officials in the Trump administration have been found online, according to the German publication Der Spiegel. > In a stunning report published on Wednesday, the paper said its journalists “used commercial people search engines along with hacked customer data that has been published on the web.” > > Those whose information was compromised include Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, and National Security Advisor Mike Waltz. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/107 "2025-03-26T23:48:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Here is the White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on the Signal leak. Tl;Dw Nothing wrong happened and it’s Biden’s fault. Baghdad Bob couldn’t do better. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/108 "2025-03-27T00:07:29Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > DoD claims there is a security vulnerability with the app, but the vulnerability is only caused by social engineering. Well then, good thing these dingleberries are immune to that otherwise they might do something stupid like invite a reporter! > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So how much more secret discussions are going on via Signal or other unapproved communications channels? All of them, I would assume. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/109 "2025-03-27T00:35:14Z")
One of the talking heads on CNN said that the chat that was released indicated that this communication method was entirely routine so presumably they have been using this method previously. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/110 "2025-03-27T01:04:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think intentional leak is still likely, but by a staffer. Consider this hypothetical - some intel or defense staffer actually familiar with OPSEC rules tells his superiors, over and over again, “you can’t use Signal, it’s not secure”. And they ignore him, over and over again. So, with no other recourse, he adds Goldberg to a chat, knowing this will publicize it and hopefully change practices. Would take a staffer with enormous balls and disregard for self-safety to do so. I’d imagine such a staffer could face heavy federal charges or something. At the bare minimum, firing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/111 "2025-03-27T01:07:19Z")
Well, his staff aren’t known for their enormous brains, so… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/112 "2025-03-27T01:10:48Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Would take a staffer with enormous balls and disregard for self-safety to do so. I’d imagine such a staffer could face heavy federal charges or something. We’re in luck then! > **[‘Big Balls’ DOGE Guy, 19, Is Now a ‘Senior Adviser’ in State Department](https://www.thedailybeast.com/big-balls-doge-guy-edward-coristine-19-has-new-gig-at-state-department/)** > > It’s the same Elon Musk minion who was fired from an internship for allegedly leaking sensitive information to a competitor. - [Exclusive: DOGE staffer ‘Big Balls’ provided tech support to cybercrime ring, records show](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/doge-staffer-big-balls-provided-tech-support-cybercrime-ring-records-show-2025-03-26/) You can’t make this shit up. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/113 "2025-03-27T01:11:19Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Yep, that was my take away as well. Also look at the “Make Europe pay” bits. They really do believe that the US is getting ripped off. It’s not “trolling” or “a negotiation strategy”, it’s what they really believe. Maybe. I got the impression that they were repeating nonsense that Trump was telling them to convince each other that they were full regime loyalists. Except maybe for Vance, they seemed to be saying that their bombing campaign, being, for unknown reasons, so much smarter than Biden’s, was going to restore the pre-Houthi pattern of cargo ship routing, saving Europeans a vast amount on shipping costs. They then would bill the European nations for services rendered. I guess many here, even if they read it the same way I do, will just chalk it up to stupidity. But I thought it was more likely calculated sucking up to Trump. Heaven forbid lack of full and total bowing down to DJT would get back to the President – as indeed has happened with Vance. They told each other that the bombing was a big success. If it was, by their own metric, cargo ship insurance rates should be going way down. I haven’t checked, but I very much doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/114 "2025-03-27T01:29:35Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > REPORT: Passwords of Top U.S. Security Officials Found Online – Hegseth, Gabbard, Waltz Among Those Affected > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Exclusive: DOGE staffer ‘Big Balls’ provided tech support to cybercrime ring, records show The evidence is clear, we are led by ~~assholes~~ Spaceballs. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7rSmMm-7SVA/maxresdefault.jpg "An Idiot’s Luggage Combination") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rSmMm-7SVA&t=28) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/115 "2025-03-27T01:48:07Z")
I wonder whether Trump sometimes gets on these Signal calls. A Democrat should ask Waltz next time he testifies before a congressional hearing. Refusal to answer is a yes. I’m skeptical they are going to suddenly going to start following the protocols for secure communications. These sorts of entitled people probably think they are above associated inconvenience (and the risk that dumb things they say will be preserved for historians!).. What happens when their government phone is about to run out of juice? I do not believe they are going to tell a cabinet secretary, much less the President, that they’ll have to get back to him tomorrow. And the older ones have watched Get Smart [cone of silence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxmEtJ31Ldw) episodes too many times., ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/116 "2025-03-27T02:37:41Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I wonder whether Trump sometimes gets on these Signal calls. He doesn’t. Judging from his statements on the matter, it doesn’t appear that he even knows what Signal is - he keeps saying things like “they had a bad signal” as if he thinks the problem was that they weren’t getting good reception and that’s why Goldberg was able to listen in. It seems pretty clear to me that one of the big takeaways from this disaster ought to be that Trump is not actively involved in making these kinds of decisions. The Mad King is far too busy playing golf and fantasizing about actresses in skintight leotards these days to actually bother running the country. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/117 "2025-03-27T02:40:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The Mad King is far too busy playing golf and fantasizing about actresses in skintight leotards these days to actually bother running the country. So, the patients are running the asylum. Who didn’t see that one coming? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/118 "2025-03-27T02:50:57Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > So, the patients are running the asylum. Well, since you brought it up… > **[Fun Boy Three - The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum (Official Music Video)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWLdZFCMx8Y%2F)** > > Subscribe to Chrysalis Records' YouTube channel: https://chrys.lnk.to/SubscribeOfficial music video for The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum by Fun Boy Th... ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/119 "2025-03-27T03:22:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It seems pretty clear to me that one of the big takeaways from this disaster ought to be that Trump is not actively involved in making these kinds of decisions. The Mad King is far too busy playing golf and fantasizing about actresses in skintight leotards these days to actually bother running the country. Not how I [read it.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/here-are-the-attack-plans-that-trump-s-advisers-shared-on-signal/ar-AA1BH7VQ?cvid=02691ecfc4ac46e8990e669a15f0f0c0&ei=10) JD Vance: > [@](#): > > I think we are making a mistake. . . . The strongest reason to do this is, as POTUS said, to send a message. Pete Hegseth: > [@](#): > > given POTUS directive . . . POTUS retains Michael Waltz: > [@](#): > > Per the President’s request we are working with DOD and State to determine how to compile the costs associated and levy them on the Europeans. The idea to bill “the Europeans” is pure Trump. Maybe he gave his orders on a cell phone from his golf cart. But it’s unlikely to be that informal. They mention the Sit Room a few times. They likely meet the old man there and he gives orders. And this crowd doesn’t argue back. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136/120 "2025-03-27T03:24:47Z")
You beat me to it (as usual). Annnnnnd now I have an earworm. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/war-plans-signal-screwup-the-atlantic-is-publishing-the-full-messages/1016136.md?page=7)