# Ward Churchill: "intellectual martyr" is not a synonym for "fucking douche-tard" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798 "2005-02-01T16:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lux\_Fiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc79bd/32.png) [@Lux\_Fiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lux_Fiat)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798/41 "2005-02-04T14:49:55Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > And what pisses me off- he’s being hailed by leftists as an intellectual martyr for “daring to exercise free speech” and as a victim of censorship. Wait, all the leftists? Someone forgot to send me the memo. ---
**Author:** ![19ForMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/439d5e/32.png) [@19ForMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/19ForMe)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798/42 "2005-02-04T15:40:36Z")
This story started getting a lot of attention in the Boulder Daily Camera. Today’s story is a bit stronger than the Rocky Mountain News article: [http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/buffzone\_news/article/0,1713,BDC\_2448\_3522312,00.html](http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/buffzone_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2448_3522312,00.html) The Camera dug up a good bit from a former intern: “For so long it was whispered on campus that he really isn’t an Indian,” said Jodi Rave, who studied journalism at CU. “Here you had the director of the Indian studies program and he’s not an Indian.” Rave, who interned at the Daily Camera in 1996, is a Mandan-Hidatsa Indian originally from North Dakota. She was recently a fellow in the prestigious Nieman program for journalists at Harvard University. In one of her journalism classes at CU, Rave was assigned to write a profile, and she decided to profile Churchill. She says she discovered that he had enrolled in the Keetoowah tribe under a program initiated by a former tribal chairman that let almost anyone sign up. She says the Keetoowah later discontinued that program and unenrolled the people who had joined under it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2005, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798/43 "2005-02-04T15:46:59Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > But don’t kid yourself that approving of him suffering a sanction for saying something unacceptable isn’t approving of censorship. So I go on a job interview, and I see a picture of a woman on the guy’s desk when I sit down for the interview, and I say, “Hey, that looks just like a girl I used to know in college who loved to take it up the ass!” He replies, seemingly coldly, “That is my wife.” “Oh,” says I brightly, “I wonder if it’s the same girl? Does your wife like it up the Hershey highway?” He refuses to continue the interview and tells me I’m unsuitable for the job, based on what I said. Censorship, right? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798/44 "2005-02-05T21:37:11Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > He isn’t just an embarassment to leftists, but to Indians as well. And he has used the Eichmann reference before. It is one of his favorites, along with Himmler. See this interview (along with a more informative photo): > > [Satya April 04: Interview with Ward Churchill](http://www.satyamag.com/apr04/churchill.html) Ain’t just leftists and Indians; he’s an embarrassment to humanity. That kind of juvenile, idiotic reasoning is no credit to any group. > [@Bricker](#): > > So I go on a job interview, and I see a picture of a woman on the guy’s desk when I sit down for the interview, and I say, “Hey, that looks just like a girl I used to know in college who loved to take it up the ass!” > > He replies, seemingly coldly, “That is my wife.” > > “Oh,” says I brightly, “I wonder if it’s the same girl? Does your wife like it up the Hershey highway?” > > He refuses to continue the interview and tells me I’m unsuitable for the job, based on what I said. > > Censorship, right? Stop oppressing those who like to discuss women’s sexual proclivities in offensive, degrading ways! They’re people too! Come on, this ain’t censorship. Facing the obvious consequences of your actions is not censorship. Free speech doesn’t mean that every view has to be accepted and celebrated; the school has no responsibility to act as a forum for that view, or to appear to endorse it, or to allow a fool like that a position of power. Man, I hate when people cry “censorship” when it’s not justified. You have the right to say whatever you like, but if no one wants to be a forum for it, your right basically extends to standing on a street corner and shouting at passersby. The First Amendment doesn’t say anything about anyone having to play host to idiocy like Churchill’s. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798/45 "2005-02-05T21:39:31Z")
Perhaps before the last two paragraphs of my message I ought to have quoted Princhester, since that’s what I was responding to. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2005, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798/46 "2005-02-05T21:45:24Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Poor Ward Churchill. Fred Phelps now says he is going to picket the idiot. It’s because Churchill is saying the destruction of the WTC was the work of _man_, rather than done _personally_ by God Almighty as an act of punishment for how rvil the United States is. I mean, everyone knows it was the gays who brought down God’s wrath on “this irreversibly doomed nation.” :rolleyes: > > Two jackassed in such close proximity to each other, surely this can’t be good. 😃 Thunderdome! Two men (sort of) enter, one man (so to speak) leaves! At least then we’d be rid of one of them, hopefully both of them if they do it right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ward-churchill-intellectual-martyr-is-not-a-synonym-for-fucking-douche-tard/287798.md?page=2)