# Warhammer/40k: random questions **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 1, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644 "2009-07-01T23:35:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/21 "2009-07-03T15:19:08Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > The fact that you have no taste and don’t know that I _am_ published suffices to answer you. Although it’s nice to know you have some info of use. Someone of your mental caliber should have something useful to do in life. Tell us what it is, then. All the other times you’ve gone on about how great you are you haven’t mentioned it, although I’m sure I’ve missed some of your mastubatory threads. From the way you’ve described it, I’m surprised it hasn’t put everyone else out of business by now. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/22 "2009-07-03T16:01:45Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > First off I can’t even determine if the Malleus killing off their allies is actually canon or not, at least anymore. But even more than that, the Guard faces off against Chaos pretty frequently. Cadia is apparently mostly their fight, for example, and they face off against those dudes plenty of times elsewhere. So we have a logical contradiction between what is claimed and what is observed. OK, so maybe it’s the setting which is not consistent. No problem if so. …or they don’t euthanize the cannon fodder unless it is warranted, unless they’ve been exposed to daemons and warp artifacts that are more corrupting than just a bunch of crazy guys out for blood. > [@](#): > > Yes, any contact with Chaos can corrupt somebody. Butit’s not like Chaos doesn’t corrupt anybody if they want POWER!!!11oneone1. Chaos =/= Dark side of the Force. > [@](#): > > Dark Age or not, the game is awfully vague about whether their technology actually does run on magic or science, or a mix of both in whatever proportion is convenient. No, it is extremely blatant about the fact that human technology is science treated as magic. > [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > 1. Can Independent characters join units led by other Independent characters? Barring specific instances where that iosn’t allowed, of course. Yes. > [@](#): > > 1. Who has the cheapest single models (even if they must be taken in large groups) in the game: Guard? 'Nids? Orcs? I don’t know all (read: any) of the various additional options they sometimes put into White Dwarf. I know some options exist, but they apparently don’t reprint issues. Grots from the Ork army, most likely. For main-line troops, it is probably Tyranid Hormagaunts. > [@](#): > > 1. Is there a master list of who can take what allies? Most Human factions can cross-ally, but there seem to be some limitations which are not always specified. In 3rd edition onwards, the default is that nobody can ally in a battle. In 2nd edition each Codex had a section explaining which armies could be used as allies as part of its Support allowance. > [@](#): > > 1. I haven’t seen an ETA on GW releasing Inquisition. Anyone hear anything definite? Do you mean _Inquisitor_? It was released a while ago, and I think the rules are on the Specialist Games website. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/23 "2009-07-03T17:23:13Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > From the way you’ve described it I’ve _never_ described _my_ published material here. I’ve never used the boards as advertising. I have boosted other people’s work, which is something you’ve never understood, because you’re quite incapable of good judgement. The material I did produce was in fact lauded by numerous experienced gamers and writers, and writers who are gamers. That is enough for me, and I don’t wish for fools who have never produced anything and semi-stalkers such as yourself to obtain my name. Or address. > [@Gumman](#): > > Chaos =/= Dark side of the Force. Are you sure? I can recall several players who had Chaos models with ver, ah, “shiny” Power Weapons and made little “Force Lightning” sounds when using Sorcery. 😃 No, it’s partly just a "I couldn’t figure out what, if anything, was actually canon, except they were more than a little > [@](#): > > In 3rd edition onwards, the default is that nobody can ally in a battle. In 2nd edition each Codex had a section explaining which armies could be used as allies as part of its Support allowance. No allies? Ouch. I haven’t seen 5th edition yet. With one exception, the local hobby stores seem to carry about 10 boxes of models, and about 10 copies each of Codexes nobody buys. > [@](#): > > Do you mean Inquisitor? It was released a while ago, and I think the rules are on the Specialist Games website. Nah, Inquisition: the 5th edition Codex for all the Inquisition elements. I heard “July”, but as I heard it at another message board (Games Workshop doesn’t exactly embrace the “digital community era” on their website fuctions). ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/24 "2009-07-03T17:48:17Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > No allies? Ouch. There are allies allowed, but it’s more limited than in 2nd. Instead of being allowed to make an army from the Ultramarine codex with 25% of your points spent on Eldar and Imperial Guard or a Chaos army with Ork allies, you are limited to the use of Inquisition or Assassin allies in other Imperial armies. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/25 "2009-07-03T19:14:52Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > 1. Can Independent characters join units led by other Independent characters? Barring specific instances where that iosn’t allowed, of course. Yes, you can even have a unit comprised of nothing but Independent characters (and often do in Guard armies after the first few meat shields are blown away). > [@](#): > > 1. Who has the cheapest single models (even if they must be taken in large groups) in the game: Guard? 'Nids? Orcs? I don’t know all (read: any) of the various additional options they sometimes put into White Dwarf. I know some options exist, but they apparently don’t reprint issues. The single cheapest model in the game is the Ork gretchin (grot), coming in at 3 points a model. > [@](#): > > 1. Is there a master list of who can take what allies? Most Human factions can cross-ally, but there seem to be some limitations which are not always specified. GW has done away with Allies, but two older un-updated codices, Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters, allow those forces to ally with either Imperial Guard -or- Space Marines. The relatively recent Apocalypse rules, designed for massive, all-day battles involving hundreds if not thousands of models, allow any alliances you see fit. > [@](#): > > 1. I haven’t seen an ETA on GW releasing Inquisition. Anyone hear anything definite? If you’re talking about the 54mm Inquisition game, then GW doesn’t support it any more other than offering the last rules as a downloadable PDF and the figurines as Direct-Order from their website. If you’re talking about the forces of the Inquisition (the aforementioned Daemon and Witch Hunters), it’s likekly looking at no earlier than fall of 2010, or spring of 2011. GW is very secretive about their release schedule, in order to keep their fans from not buying the newest toys they release (the game has a very nasty tendency to have the newest armies released be the most competitive). ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/26 "2009-07-03T19:16:08Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Tell us what it is, then. All the other times you’ve gone on about how great you are you haven’t mentioned it, although I’m sure I’ve missed some of your mastubatory threads. > > From the way you’ve described it, I’m surprised it hasn’t put everyone else out of business by now. > > -Joe Jeezy creezy, would you guys take it elsewhere? ---
**Author:** ![in\_hiding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c5a1d2/32.png) [@in\_hiding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/in_hiding)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/27 "2009-07-03T23:04:02Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > No allies? Ouch. I haven’t seen 5th edition yet. The balance is kinda… okay, really off anyway right now, so allies would probably reduce the whole thing to a complete mess. They have streamlined a lot since the last time you could take allies - 5th edition is a lot smoother and faster then 2nd ever was. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/28 "2009-07-04T00:20:51Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > The single cheapest model in the game is the Ork gretchin (grot), coming in at 3 points a model. I remember a game where, just for kicks, a friend of mine fielded _only_ gretchins (with maybe a few orks here and there as command units) against my eldar force. 1500 points worth of them. We had to crib minis from every game we both owned, and he had trouble fitting all of them in his deployment zone. This was back in 2nd ed, and before the first Ork codex was published. So, no squig vaccine to counter Bacterial ‘nade. Or "how to kill 1000 points’ worth of stuff with a 50 point equipment card" :p. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644/29 "2009-07-04T10:48:21Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Wow, another thread on how much everyone else isn’t as clever as you. I hope you’ll post a follow up on how all of it should have been written. > -Joe > [@Merijeek](#): > > Never seen of of **smiling bandit** ’s “All game systems suck and are silly and like totally gay - except mine, which is the ultimate everything but for some reason I can’t find a way to get it published not even on the internets” threads before, huh? > [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > The fact that you have no taste and don’t know that I _am_ published suffices to answer you. Although it’s nice to know you have some info of use. Someone of your mental caliber should have something useful to do in life. > [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Merijeek was not being lighthearted. And he can burn in hell. > [@Merijeek](#): > > Tell us what it is, then. All the other times you’ve gone on about how great you are you haven’t mentioned it, although I’m sure I’ve missed some of your mastubatory threads. Mod note: **Oyh! Settle down!** Personal insults are **not** appropriate in this forum. **Merijeek** , the Game Room is not the place to attack other posters’ perceived posting habits. Your attack on **Smiling Bandit’s** posting history is neither appropriate nor appreciated in the Game Room. Any further comments should be directed into it’s own Pit thread. **Smiling Bandit** , telling users to “go to hell” and insulting their mental caliber is definitely _not_ kosher. In fact, they’re directly in violation of forum rules. Since you can both makes arguable cases for provocations here, I am not going to issue official warnings. But if you pick it up again, I will. If I am unclear, please direct any questions to me by PM. - Gukumatz Game Room moderator. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warhammer-40k-random-questions/501644.md?page=1)