# warmgun, what the fuck is your damage? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415 "2001-10-24T23:11:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/41 "2001-10-25T21:27:58Z")
As the offended party, it seems right and proper I should get the last word in; others obviously disagree. **Izzy** , you’re right - I should have toned it down and made my point more succinctly. If **warmgun** does reply to me in e-mail and so wishes, I will post it here (keeping in mind that the mods frown upon full re-posts as it sort of defeats the purpose of banning the person, but in this case, I would argue at least a summary of his response would be warranted, if he so desires and they so agree). Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/42 "2001-10-25T21:41:54Z")
[…biting tongue…] ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/43 "2001-10-25T21:53:45Z")
Jesus Christ **Esprix**. The guy gets banned and you take it as a chance to bash the guy further, when he can’t even respond? Fucking pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/44 "2001-10-25T22:13:48Z")
Well damn me, I misread and misrepresented **warmgun**. He did not just apologize for getting my name wrong in the mock mods thread, but, in fact, did apologize for the "over-the-top"ness of his post in general. I stand corrected and humbly apologize to **warmgun** for misrepresenting his words. I also again apologize for my own "over-the-top"ness of my response here. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/45 "2001-10-25T22:20:25Z")
Esprix, You _do_ rock. ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/46 "2001-10-25T22:27:40Z")
It occurs to me there’s probably not going to be a mod response from this, for good reason. I read just recently that Tuba is moving, and can only get online intermittently, and she’s one who pushed the Big Red Button, I think. And the other mods a) can’t comment on what she was thinking, for obvious reasons, and b) won’t criticize her in public on the boards even if they think warmgun didn’t deserve it. My bet is by the time Tuba can get online again, this thread will have dropped off the radar. BTW, Esprix, I know that it’s a blow to the pride to have to admit you misread and mischaracterized someone; I fucked up similarly recently and I sure felt like an ass. Good on you for apologizing. –John ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/47 "2001-10-25T23:03:33Z")
Hmm… I notice that the trigger-happy types spared not delay in leaping to a Mod-lynching mob. In all past instances when someone was banned for mysterious reasons, it’s always turned out that there were events going on behind the scenes that the board public isn’t privvy to. Can’t y’all hold your breath a little and wait until we _do_ know what the hell is going on? ---
**Author:** ![Hombre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecb155/32.png) [@Hombre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hombre)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/48 "2001-10-26T01:52:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\*Tuba… 's [the] one who pushed the Big Red Button, I think. And the other mods a) can’t comment on what she was thinking, for obvious reasons, and b) won’t criticize her in public on the boards even if they think warmgun didn’t deserve it. My bet is by the time Tuba can get online again, this thread will have dropped off the radar. > –John \*\* I’m just talking here. NOT attacking or bashing. **Tuba** has made it clear in the past she is an administrator, not a moderator (and rightly so) so her post > [@](#): > > Rule No. 2: “Don’t piss off the moderators.” Makes me think that a Mod was involved. Now the Mod involved could surely comment on what s/he knows without stepping on any toes, couldn’t they? This is a WAG, of course, but wouldn’t it have went through her/him? I _am **not** _ questioning **TV, Tuba** or anyone else. It’s just that I, like some others here, are a little nervous and confused about all of this. And a little Mod input would sure make us feel better. Humbly, William ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/49 "2001-10-26T02:17:41Z")
Gee, we’re just a judgement-happy little group here, aren’t we? Before the lynch mob hangs **TubaDiva** from a tree, why don’t you all stop jumping to conclusions? You don’t know whether or not TubaDiva e-mailed warmgun with a warning. You don’t know what went into her decision. You are judging her based solely on a few cryptic words. Guess what? In all the time I’ve been here, I haven’t seen anyone banned without good reason. I have, however, seen the whole mob-hysteria bullshit happen. I’ve seen dozens of posters vow never to post again because of the wretched injustice of it all. I’ve seen many of them come back. I’ve seen the accusations of Nazi totalitarianism and power-hungry mods. I’ve seen the sarcastic “None of us are safe from the crazed mods!” posts. I’ve seen the overdramatic hysterics more times than I can count. And it all passes, because it’s all nonsense. You want drama? Search for the name Melin. Read all 35 pages about her banning. Get a grip. Esprix didn’t do anything wrong, AFAICS. He didn’t do anything to get banned, thus he can continue the argument as he sees fit. Personally, I would have dropped it, but let’s not hang him next for acting as he saw appropriate in a situation you’ve probably never been in. He wanted to defend himself. Rock on. You honestly wouldn’t have? Everyone, take a deep breath and chill the fuck out. It’s really not “Revenge of the Power-Crazed Mods Part LXI,” so don’t try to turn it into that. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/50 "2001-10-26T02:36:21Z")
I can’t help but notice that there seems to be a sense of ownership towards this board by some of the members here. I can’t relate to that, because I’ve always considered myself a guest. If I throw a party in my house and ask someone to leave, am I obligated to inform everyone at the party? Must I give a reason? If I make a habit out of throwing people out arbitrarily, pretty soon, people will stop coming. Is that the case here? Obviously not. The board is constantly growing. You would think that this alone would suggest something to the malcontents. But it doesn’t. I can set my watch to the next “what’s with the mods here” thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hombre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecb155/32.png) [@Hombre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hombre)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/51 "2001-10-26T02:56:02Z")
Whoa! Take a deep breath is right. I don’t see any lynch mobs. I haven’t read any **Tuba** bashing. I haven’t said a word about **Esprix** not having the right to keep posting. No **Nacho** we don’t know. That’s why we are asking. Read the post count of those of us who are asking. I’m not mad, angry or upset with anyone. Yeah, there might some behind the scenes stuff. But I don’t know that. The banning seemed to come out of know where. You’re right, there is probably a good reason - but we don’t know what it is _that’s why were asking_. I just want to know where the line is. It’s a legetimate question in this setting and good info for a newbie to have. You were a newbie once, too, right? Trust me, I’m chilled. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/52 "2001-10-26T03:10:54Z")
There’s _got_ to be more to it than the paltry little pissing match we’ve seen here, right? ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/53 "2001-10-26T03:48:58Z")
These threads amaze me, if only for a few reasons… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Nacho4Sara \* > \*\*Gee, we’re just a judgement-happy little group here, aren’t we? > > Before the lynch mob hangs **TubaDiva** from a tree, why don’t you all stop jumping to conclusions? You don’t know whether or not TubaDiva e-mailed warmgun with a warning. You don’t know what went into her decision. You are judging her based solely on a few cryptic words.\*\* and… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by k.os \* > **Will someone of official capacity comment?** It’s pretty sad we have to go off speculation and theory. It’d be nice if we could have a real reason from above. If there’s anything I’ve ever argued around here, it’s been the idea that things that happen should be explained. I’ve always been curious why it hasn’t. What in the world are you worried about? ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/54 "2001-10-26T04:11:15Z")
Please explain why they must explain. I’m really curious why people think an explanation is required. ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/55 "2001-10-26T04:40:03Z")
This is what I’m “worried about,” since you asked so nicely: > [@](#): > > I sure hope that wasn’t what got him banned. (Crossing fingers) > [@](#): > > Great assassination overall. **You must try to use the power that you wield for good.** > [@](#): > > Looks like someone of a **“higher” authority** disagrees with you . > \ > [@](#): > > Thinking someone is a jerk is a little subjective. TV should have been more specific. **I think she waded into a pit thread without her mod boots on and someone splashed a little mud on her**. > [@](#): > > In hours of reading other BANNED members last post, I can say that this banning was **the singular most vulgar display of power** shown on these boards that I could find. [snip] **Don’t bother banning me** , I’m taking a sabbatical on my own. > [@](#): > > I actually wrote this post 5-6 times yesterday, but didn’t submit it **for fear of being banned**. I have read in a lot of places on this board that people get official warnings before banning, and I did not see that happen here. > [@](#): > > I don’'t have any idea why warmgun was banned. If sniping at people in other threads is bannable, **a lot of people are in trouble**. (including me) > [@](#): > > I know **I’m risking the wrath of God (or Mod)** by saying this > [@](#): > > I have no idea **what I risk** by saying this > [@](#): > > The guy gets banned and you take it as a chance to bash the guy further, when he can’t even respond? > > Fucking pathetic. Bolding my own. Everything I quoted is what I attacked in my last post. This mass hysteria of “watch what you say…we could be next” is complete and utter bullshit. **Complete and utter bullshit**. In nearly two years on this Board I have **never** seen anyone unfairly banned. If anything, I would say that the Mods have been extremely lenient in letting posters like Wildest Bill and JDT, among many others, keep trolling on the benefit of the doubt. I am so disgusted with these threads. Every other day someone is bitching and moaning about the Mods and how they are unfair and unjust or edgy and mean. Give me a fucking break. I’d be a little mean too if I had to spend three hours fixing fucked up coding and then get attacked for a questionable turn of phrase. Do you know that warmgun wasn’t e-mailed once or twice or even ten times? Do you know that there was not an official warning made? Do you honestly believe that a mod or admin just snapped her fingers and poof! warmgun was not more? That no discussion, debate, or exchange between the admins and mods took place regarding his banning? Do you? No, you do not. You know what? They don’t have to tell any of you anything about why warmgun was banned. They answer to the Chicago Reader, not to you. Try this: **Don’t be a jerk.** Hombre - I understand your question, and I also notice that you didn’t participate in the whole mass hysteria shit going on here. Your best bet is to e-mail a mod. ---
**Author:** ![DaveW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DaveW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveW)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/56 "2001-10-26T04:51:40Z")
**The\_Raven** wrote: > [@](#): > > All kidding aside… The mods/admins are gonna do what they’re are gonna do, and it’s obvious that there is as much recourse as there is when yelling at an umpire. Perhaps you should read the thread, [why was red\_dragon60 banned?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=94030). It might show that there’s plenty of recourse. As **samclem** wrote in that thread: “If a 16 year old can understand it, why the \*uck can’t all these other oldsters??” **Hombre** wrote: > [@](#): > > I’m just talking here. NOT attacking or bashing. > Tuba has made it clear in the past she is an administrator, not a moderator (and rightly so) so her post > > > [@](#): > > > > Rule No. 2: “Don’t piss off the moderators.” > > Makes me think that a Mod was involved. I’ve always seen Administrators as “Moderators-_plus_.” If I’m not mistaken, people who are _just_ moderators **cannot ban people**. It takes an Administrator to do so. Plus, if you look at the [About This Message Board forum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=2&daysprune=), you’ll clearly see “Moderated by: TubaDiva” near the top. Obviously, Administrators _do_ moderate, but not all Moderators administrate. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/57 "2001-10-26T04:52:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Slip Mahoney \* > \*\*Please explain why they must explain. > > I’m really curious why people think an explanation is required. \*\* If it’s such a simple and easy reason why the person was banned, why not come in here and make a quick comment as to why? Seriously, what’s the problem with a quick explanation? Don’t tell me it takes too long or its not worth the trouble… these guys respond to all kinds of threads around here. Why the silence now, and with other threads like this? Speculation by others- way outside of the situation- is only going to lead to confusion and anger by those not in the know. Why silence? How does that accomplish a thing? **Slip Mahoney** , you ask me why I question it? I ask you why you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/58 "2001-10-26T05:02:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’'t have any idea why warmgun was banned. If sniping at people in other threads is bannable, a lot of people are in trouble. (including me) Eat me, Sara. People snipe all over the fucking place. Zenster and darkcool sniped warmgun all over the board for his Pit thread. I recently sniped someone, illegitimately, and made myself look like an ass. Esprix said he thought warmgun was banned for sniping and I pointed out that apparently sniping isn’t against the rules or a lot more people would be in trouble. I have been involved in a lot of these kind of threads, always trying to get people to see things from the perspective of the people running the site- as I did in this thread too- and if you think that I am somehow anti-mod based on my posts in this thread you can cram it up your ass sideways. There was no antimod hysteria going on here until you churned things up. –John ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/59 "2001-10-26T05:07:12Z")
- > [@](#): > > If it’s such a simple and easy reason why the person was banned, why not come in here and make a quick comment as to why? > > Seriously, what’s the problem with a quick explanation? > > Don’t tell me it takes too long or its not worth the trouble… these guys respond to all kinds of threads around here. > > Why the silence now, and with other threads like this? In this case, jackass, because Tuba banned warmgun. Tuba isn’t posting very often because she’s moving. No one can read Tuba’s mind. And I already fucking explained this. Christ. And don’t bring in ‘other threads like this’, because then this will turn into some fucking thread-from-hell rehashing everything that the mods ever did that got your panties in a bunch. –John ---
**Author:** ![DaveW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DaveW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveW)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/60 "2001-10-26T05:11:40Z")
Good grief, **CnoteChris** … For someone who’s been around as long as you have, shouldn’t the answer be obvious? It doesn’t _matter_ whether or not any explanation is given for a banning. There will _always_ be people who are confused and angered by it, either because they simply don’t understand the reasons stated (or not stated), or because they don’t see things the same way as the Moderators and/or Administrators. Posting an explanation often _invites_ confusion and anger, just as starting a “why was so-and-so banned?” thread does. Few bannings appear to be so cut-and-dried as to _not_ spark some amount of controversy. Oh, also, unless you’re one of the people directly involved with a banning, there’s a good chance that at least some of the reasons for the banning are simply _none of your (our) business_. “Behind the scenes” emails and whatnot have already been mentioned in this thread. Perhaps you’re trying to figure out just exactly where “the line” is drawn? Does every possible method of “being a jerk” need to be spelled out in detail? That’d make for a very large Web page, indeed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415.md?page=4)