# warmgun, what the fuck is your damage? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415 "2001-10-24T23:11:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hombre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecb155/32.png) [@Hombre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hombre)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2001, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/101 "2001-10-27T17:05:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\*I keep seeing people say, “But why aren’t they answering us?” and there’s a fairly simple reason for that I’ve posted several times. It’s gets frustrating. > > –John \*\* I hear ya, man. I’m frustrated, too. But in your anger, you were lumping everyone who didn’t aree with you into one “polarized” side. I just wanted my position to be clear and not be branded part of a lynch mob. So, thanks for cutting me out of the herd, in a fashion. However there is one little chink in your armored position. > [@](#): > > _originally posted by Libertarian_ > **My assessment after considerable research: > Warmgun deserved banning after expressing an insubordinate attitude toward mod-admin authority.** > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## Go on, ask Libertarian how he “knows” that warmgun “deserved” to be banned, and that [it] was for the reason stated. > > **I just know. And that’s all you’re gonna get outta me on that.** > [@](#): > > **Whenever you have a question about a particular circumstance, e-mail an admin and ask.** (Underline mine) I leave it to the members to draw their own conclusion(s). With respect, William ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2001, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/102 "2001-10-27T17:35:59Z")
Yeah, Chris, I realize I was out of line earlier in the thread, which is why I directed you to my post to Sara where I _apologized_ for losing my temper in this thread and why I want to stop arguing. In your last post you said that in this case we’ll just have to wait, but that people should be allowed to question the mods… that’s my position, too. I never said that questioning the mods was wrong… just that repeating the question wasn’t going to get anyone anywhere in this case. –John ---
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2001, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/103 "2001-10-27T18:27:27Z")
Fair enough. We’re probably closer to agreeing with each other than disagreeing. ---
**Author:** ![DaveW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DaveW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveW)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/104 "2001-10-28T04:21:44Z")
**darkcool** wrote: > [@](#): > > The ‘context’ thing. Just because he had 600 posts doesn’t mean automatically mean that there was a build up. My point was that he might have been banned for that one post. You made it sound like you had info to the contrary. I admit, I don’t know. I guess no matter how many times it’s pointed out that **warmgun** has, indeed, had troubles prior to this thread, people are just going to ignore it. The context that this thread needs to be taken in is that **warmgun** was neither a newbie nor, um, “pristine.” > [@](#): > > I openly apologize to you for making it seem like I was singling you out. Accepted. > [@](#): > > And about the ‘sabbatical’ (or rather the “thats fair”) comment. I must say I’m a little confused why you took offense at that. I thought I was going along with the ribbing and I get an “up yours”? Whatever you thought I meant - I didn’t. Apologies from me on this and the other. It wasn’t at all clear to me that you were joking. The “dead to rights” comment sounded, to me, _bitterly_ sarcastic, instead of _chucklingly_ sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/105 "2001-10-28T04:39:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*And Nacho4Sara, come on, I’ve read enough of your stuff to know that you usually get things right. But taking my quote made specifically to Esprix, and attributing it to something said against a mod or admin, is going too far. If your going to criticize a bunch of people on what they said, and highlight those comments, at least get them right. I apologize for including that quote. It was directed at Esprix, and I knew that. I honestly could not tell you why I added it to the bunch, but in retrospect, it was a mistake, and I’m sorry. I have a Golden Rule about not venturing into the Pit past midnight (hell, I’m ready for bed right now) and I broke it - my foul. Yue Han - I’m never interested in a name-calling match. But I will say that I know I included your post about sniping for a reason. I understood that you were being sarcastic, but when relative newbies are asking why warmgun got banned, and you post the comment that I quoted, then it followed (in my mind, at least) that posters not so familiar with the Board might think that they can’t post certain things. I know what you meant, but when posters are reading this and express concern that saying the wrong thing might get them banned, a comment like yours could lead to some misconceptions about the way things are run. As for Stoid’s comment, I found it very ominous and even threatening to a degree. That’s why I included it; I can see how her words would lead to paranoia and concern from other posters, and I don’t think that’s at all necessary in this situation. I think it’s important in this situation to not go on heresay and rumors. I’ve gotten an e-mail from warmgun that somewhat explained his position. Am I ready to swtich sides in this battle? Absolutely not. I processed what he said, I’m interested in hearing what a Mod has to say, and then I’ll make a decision based on that. But all we have right now is rumors and opinions. IMHO, it’s pointless to argue a side if you don’t understand the opposing standpoint. So if everyone would hold off on their judgement calls until we do get both sides, there would be peace and harmony and posters everywhere would rejoice. Hopefully that all made sense; if not, it’s because I’m sleepy and I spent most of the day at a Dopefest. I’ll check back tomorrow and try to clarify my position if I wasn’t coherent. ---
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/106 "2001-10-28T20:01:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DaveW \* > **I guess no matter how many times it’s pointed out that warmgun has, indeed, had troubles prior to this thread, people are just going to ignore it.** I don’t think anyone is ignoring it. How could we? **warmgun** himself pointed it out. It’s been pointed out in this thread that **WG** has angered members in the past. Well, whoop-de-goddam-do! People in _this_ thread have GREATLY angered others. There are a lot of “fuck yous” and “eat mes” flying around here. Damn near everyboby that logs a post in The Pit pisses someone off. I will state again - _I don’t know why he was banned_ - but all of you that are acting like experts, do what I did. Go back and read some of his posts. He might have have pissed off a couple of people here and there, but so what? I maintain that that is not trouble. And as far as his brush with the mods is concerned, I’ve already pointed out it _appears_ as though they worked it out. **Hombre** wrote: [quote] \*\*However there is one little chink in your armored position. ## quote: ## originally posted by Libertarian My assessment after considerable research: Warmgun deserved banning after expressing an insubordinate attitude toward mod-admin authority. ## quote: ## quote: ## Go on, ask Libertarian how he “knows” that warmgun “deserved” to be banned, and that [it] was for the reason stated. ## I just know. And that’s all you’re gonna get outta me on that. ## quote: ## Whenever you have a question about a particular circumstance, e-mail an admin and ask.\*\*[/qoute] So, _apparently_, **Lib** ’s “research” was e-mailing **Tuba** , where he found out that “Warmgun deserved banning after expressing an insubordinate attitude toward [a] mod”. To me that says two things: 1. **warmgun** _was_ banned for what he said in this thread. And… 2. **Tuba** is available for comment.**(NOTE: That statement in _no way_ implies I think she should**, only that she could. So, ok, John - we hear you) So it looks like **Biggirl** was right: > [@](#): > > It does appear that from this thread that warmgun was banned because he pissed TV off And, if 1 is true, I agree with **Stoid** : > [@](#): > > if what we have seen before us in this thread was the trigger to warmgun’s banning, well, that’s alarming. I didn’t see anything even in the neighborhood of jerkiness Except, well, it’s all relative. And that’s the only point I’m trying to make. I don’t think he (WG) did anything that any number of us has done before, some off us MUCH more agregiously that others. But for some reason it appears he got held to a different standard. I’m not saying the mods have to grade on a curve - **they don’t** - but it makes for a funky situation when they don’t. Still, all the facts are not in and I’m content to wait for them if/when they come before _I_ make my final judgement. I’m just asking all to do the same. > [@](#): > > _again by Dave W_ > \*\*The “dead to rights” comment sounded, to me, _bitterly_ sarcastic, instead of _chucklingly_ sarcastic. \*\* I’m glad we got all that cleared up. But for the record, I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic at all. Like I said, the dry word… ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/107 "2001-10-28T20:06:59Z")
Well, if you read Lib’s post that way, then Tuba is available by email, but she hasn’t posted on the SDMB since her post in this thread, as far as I can find by search. –John ---
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/108 "2001-10-28T20:28:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\*Well, if you read Lib’s post that way, then Tuba is available by email, but she hasn’t posted on the SDMB since her post in this thread, as far as I can find by search. > > –John \*\* Point noted. This is probably one of those **red\_dragon 60** things. ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/109 "2001-10-28T20:58:05Z")
D’oh… futzing around with the search engine, still not sure, and I’ll I had to do was check her profile for the last place she posted. At least I was right. That would have been embarassing… –John ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/110 "2001-10-28T21:25:52Z")
Well, leaving aside the klutsy speculations by people who aren’t me about what I might or might not have meant or done or whom I might or might not have e-mailed, isn’t it common knowledge that such matters as these are not hung out like laundry by the admins in public? Haven’t we _always_ been asked to correspond by e-mail on such matters? You people didn’t just fall off the truck here. You know the deal. If Tuba banned someone, they were being a jerk. Period. Trust Tuba. She’s more trustworthy and just than the rest of us put together. If you disagree, I would ask you for one _shred_ of evidence that Tuba has ever been unreasonable. Just one. Otherwise, why not just shut up about it and go on about our business? ---
**Author:** ![rsa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rsa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsa)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/111 "2001-10-28T21:57:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > Well, leaving aside the klutsy speculations by people who aren’t me about what I might or might not have meant or done or whom I might or might not have e-mailed, isn’t it common knowledge that such matters as these are not hung out like laundry by the admins in public? Haven’t we _always_ been asked to correspond by e-mail on such matters? You people didn’t just fall off the truck here. You know the deal. If Tuba banned someone, they were being a jerk. Period. Trust Tuba. She’s more trustworthy and just than the rest of us put together. > > If you disagree, I would ask you for one _shred_ of evidence that Tuba has ever been unreasonable. Just one. Otherwise, why not just shut up about it and go on about our business? Sounds reasonable to me. BTW, I think I know how you came to your conclusion, but as you obviously want to keep that to yourself, I’ll keep quiet out of respect for you. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/112 "2001-10-28T22:02:37Z")
You are a gentleperson and a scholar. Okay, folks. Please keep the left lane clear for emergency traffic as you exit. Where’s Astroboy? ---
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2001, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415/113 "2001-10-28T23:09:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Well, leaving aside the klutsy speculations by people who aren’t me about what I might or might not have meant or done or whom I might or might not have e-mailed, isn’t it common knowledge that such matters as these are not hung out like laundry by the admins in public? \*\* Damn! What the hell was I smokin’? You are absolutely right, **Libertarian**. I just re-read my post. Out o’ line. Everybody just seems so caught up in this ‘drama’, that I guess I was pulled right along into it. That doesn’t excuse me. So, sorry to all for tossing gas on the fire. My speculating days are over! (I hope) I don’t know how much more of making myself look like an ass I can take. Lane clear! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warmgun-what-the-fuck-is-your-damage/89415.md?page=5)