# Warner bullies youtube, rapes artists. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562 "2008-12-24T16:46:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/21 "2008-12-27T17:07:45Z")
[Quote=Linked article] Unable to reach new licensing terms, the Warner Music Group has demanded that thousands of its videos be removed from YouTube, which is owned by Google. Warner Music’s videos, the source of a billion views on YouTube, gradually began disappearing from the site on Saturday, although many remained online Sunday evening. [/quote] I’m not a businessman, but, Jeeze – a billion views? And Warner sees that as “use” that it deserves revenue for, instead of a huge amount of marketing and promotion that it didn’t have to pay for? ---
**Author:** ![Discordia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Discordia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Discordia)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/22 "2008-12-27T17:12:36Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > I’m not a businessman, but, Jeeze – a billion views? And Warner sees that as “use” that it deserves revenue for, instead of a huge amount of marketing and promotion that it didn’t have to pay for? Stupid, isn’t it? The sooner these relics die the better. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/23 "2008-12-28T01:34:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The thing is that they don’t HAVE to go down! All they have to do is embrace the new technology. Admittedly, I don’t know much about the music industry, but I don’t understand this part. Which is the new technology, playing audio and video on the internet? Because Time/Warner has AOL music and AOL video which plays pretty much the same stuff that YouTube can play but it looks like they have more control over what gets posted, although I’m not sure about that last part. Amanda Palmer’s videos are on AOL music from what I can tell. So they seemed to have changed the distribution channel but not the technology. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/24 "2008-12-28T03:56:04Z")
Whatever AOL’s music channel is, it’s not going to reach the same audience that youtube has. I think they are cutting their nose off to spite their face. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/25 "2008-12-28T05:08:46Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Whatever AOL’s music channel is, it’s not going to reach the same audience that youtube has. Do you mean that AOL’s music channel will not reach youtube’s audience as it stands now (because that’s pretty obvious at this point) or do you mean that it will never capture that audience? If you feel that it would never capture that audience, please explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/26 "2008-12-28T06:10:45Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Do you mean that AOL’s music channel will not reach youtube’s audience as it stands now (because that’s pretty obvious at this point) or do you mean that it will never capture that audience? > > If you feel that it would never capture that audience, please explain why. Well, for one having access to youtube’s audience and [music.aol.com](http://music.aol.com)’s audience would be better than just access to the latter. Secondly, I had to look up the url for AOL. If it’s not even widely known apart from AOL users, then they should probably ramp up the advertising, don’t you think. What is this an essay test? ---
**Author:** ![Leviosaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@Leviosaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leviosaurus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/27 "2008-12-28T06:23:18Z")
Musicians have existed as long as civilization. Throughout all of history they made their money by performing. The first recording artists thought of records as promos for their performances. It is only in the brief recent history that artists have made money primarily through recording instead of performing. This has been an aberration of history which will shortly be corrected. Musicians, if you want to make a living, then _perform_. Recordings are BS. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/28 "2008-12-28T11:34:46Z")
> [@Leviosaurus](#): > > Musicians have existed as long as civilization. Throughout all of history they made their money by performing. The first recording artists thought of records as promos for their performances. It is only in the brief recent history that artists have made money primarily through recording instead of performing. > > This has been an aberration of history which will shortly be corrected. Musicians, if you want to make a living, then perform. Recordings are BS. If I could just fit all those live bands into my Ipod, then I might agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/29 "2008-12-28T12:33:05Z")
Warner is also the label that told Amanda Palmer that her video for [Leeds United was unacceptable because you can see her belly, and it isn’t taut, perfect and model like](http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2008/12/amanda_palmers_belly_gets_cens.php) because you know, she’s not a model. She’s a real, healthy, living, moving woman who consumes more than celery, vodka, cocaine and nicotine. I think the record labels need to get fucked. This is almost as ridiculous as Virgin suing 30 Seconds to Mars for $30 million for a late record. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/30 "2008-12-28T15:33:17Z")
> [@Leviosaurus](#): > > Musicians, if you want to make a living, then _get popular enough (somehow) that you can regularly perform._ Fixed that for ya. Paid performance opportunities - for all musicians save the very biggest names - are more limited than ever. And musicians, unless they’re very commercially minded in taste as well as business, _can’t_ make their own opportunities. Most need to appeal to business and money people, and few have any basis on which to make the appeal. Making more live music opportunities probably won’t happen without a major shakeup in the economy. Too much money, and too many people’s tastes, are controlled by packaged big-name entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/31 "2008-12-28T15:42:29Z")
FYI, [here](http://amandapalmer.bandcamp.mu/) is Amanda’s own site where you can buy music directly from her. ETA: i notice she has some stuff up there as “name your price.” Cool… ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/32 "2008-12-28T17:23:13Z")
> [@Leviosaurus](#): > > Musicians have existed as long as civilization. Throughout all of history they made their money by performing. The first recording artists thought of records as promos for their performances. It is only in the brief recent history that artists have made money primarily through recording instead of performing. > > This has been an aberration of history which will shortly be corrected. Musicians, if you want to make a living, then _perform_. Recordings are BS. I wonder what portion of professional musicians actually make the majority of their money through recordings? I’d imagine it’s a small percentage. For one, any professional musician working with a symphony/orchestra/theater company makes their money from performances. These are a large portion of people who make regular incomes through music (albeit on an individual level most of them do not have wide name recognition.) You have the various acts that travel the country in vans and (if they’re lucky) play at various clubs. These people almost certainly make the lion’s share of their meager earnings through performance. Then you have musicians who either solo or as part of a band has gotten their music published and distributed in relatively wide release (this category would include everyone from the most obscure artists on a label to the superstars), to my knowledge most of these people continue to perform–in many cases _long_ after they’ve stopped actively releasing new albums. There are many prominent bands and artists from the 70s and 80s who continue to tour to this day, many of them not having released a new album in over a decade. I imagine they do it because that’s how they make their money. I think the only musicians who really sit back and just rake in money from past recordings without ever performing are ones like Michael Jackson (as an example) who have enough steady income stream to not have to perform at all (Jackson also bought up the rights to tons of music in general and a lot of his income comes from the fact that he/his managers have made shrewd business decisions with his past earnings and rolled them into consistent future income) and _also_ don’t want to perform at all. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/33 "2008-12-28T21:36:57Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Fixed that for ya. Careful – one of our mods gave me a warning for making a change in a quote. (In my case, it was only a spelling correction. Sometimes mods are idiots.) I never heard of Amanda Palmer before this thread. Kind of like her now. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/34 "2008-12-28T21:49:15Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > I never heard of Amanda Palmer before this thread. Kind of like her now. I’d never heard of her before the first True Colors tour last year. The Dresden Dolls were on the tour and I really liked the music, so I went looking after the concert and found more information. I like Amanda…she has a quality that I find interesting, a kind of vulgar self-confidence mixed with a bit of vulnerability. The video for [Coin-Operated Boy](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pws_the-dresden-dolls-coin-operated-boy_creation) is a really good example of this. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562/35 "2008-12-29T00:57:20Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Fixed that for ya. **Beware of Doug** , modifying attributed quotes in quote boxes is not permitted by the forum rules. Please state your case in future without changing another poster’s words. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warner-bullies-youtube-rapes-artists/478562.md?page=1)