# Warning for Junior Moderating **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 19, 2011, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015 "2011-06-19T06:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@carm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/41 "2011-06-19T15:54:49Z")
This is turning into a rather unfair pile-on. I fully agree with the OP, he may have been being a dick, but people are dicks all the time on this site without getting warnings. > [@](#): > > **SoP:** > You’re shooting it out nineteen to the dozen this evening. Cut out the snark, now. > [@](#): > > **Jake Jones:** > Nineteen to the dozen means I’m a motor mouth. I’m not sure how that applies, or what I’ve done to solicit a “Moderator Note” > > If you’re going to warn me about skirting posting guidelines, please do so with specific violations. If you want to call me an asshole, feel free. > > Otherwise? WTF, dude? I have no way to translate your “note” into meaningful data. Please feel free to elaborate. I think the above post was the real reason for the warning. I think this: > [@](#): > > Holy fucking shit, Private Guizot! Did you just simultaneously hijack and shit on this thread? I think you did. Your baggage does not mean shit to me or anyone else, so I strongly suggest you un-fuck yourself before someone else does it for you. was a perfectly reasonable response to this: > [@](#): > > **Guizot:** > I can’t speak for Johnny–and I can’t really provide any “proof” of it, except from personal experience–but there is a history of people who pronounce it that way with a distinct leer in their voice and demeanor, when they want to associate the city with drugs, prostitution, and a place to go where you can get batshit drunk, piss on the sidewalk, and be a general asshole with impunity. These are typically students from State (you know, the “party” school), who would never do these things in public back East. In the minds of these people, they don’t see it for what it really is: a huge city with a vast population trying to get along like any other city. Considering the content matter of Locked up Abroad, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s why the narrator on the show pronounced it that way–I don’t know. and either - not worthy of a warning, or - worthy of a warning, along with hundreds of other posts every week here on the Dope. The warning was uncalled for and petty, in my opinion. Not that I expect that to change anything, just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/42 "2011-06-19T16:17:44Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > I guess Citizen Pained is glad that this non junior modding dick came along and took the heat off. > [@Cicero](#): > > This is not the High Court. > > OP was a dick (and as you say) he should have stepped away. > > He comes here bent on revenge. This could only ever end in the Mods being supported. > [@carm](#): > > This is turning into a rather unfair pile-on. I fully agree with the OP, he may have been being a dick, but people are dicks all the time on this site without getting warnings. > > I think the above post was the real reason for the warning. I think this: > > was a perfectly reasonable response to this: > and either - not worthy of a warning, or - worthy of a warning, along with hundreds of other posts every week here on the Dope. > The warning was uncalled for and petty, in my opinion. Not that I expect that to change anything, just my two cents. Please refrain from insulting other posters. **Gfactor** ATMB Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/43 "2011-06-19T16:27:16Z")
> [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > Well, my point is that it wasn’t junior modding. I don’t think it was an honest move. I think it was specifically dishonest. Using that card was a piss-poor excuse to extinguish behavior that was unsavory to the mod in question. > > If you’re going to censor someone, fucking nut up and be honest about the reasons. And if being an occasional dick is grounds for dismissal from this site, fuck all y’all. > [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > No. I made no attempt to moderate or influence the behavior of anyone, aside from pointing out general assholish behavior other than my own. > > I don’t aspire to be a full-fledged mod, so fuck junior mod status. > [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > If I’m participating in a forum full of dicks, I’d rather be kicked out than join. Leadership appoints moderators. Moderators moderate. If they suck at it, they should be called to the mat. > > I’m just a guy, mostly reasonable. Sometimes people say stupid shit that pisses me off, like that we should pronounce foreign cities like their native citizens do. Sometimes I react and say shit like “that’s a really fucking dumb idea” and sometimes I keep my mouth shut while basking in the rays of idiocy around me. > > Sometimes, I’m a dick. Fucking sue me. > [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > I’m not trying to be dramatic, but I feel like this is wrong. So, I’m saying something. Maybe I’ve been a bit dramatic, but for good cause. > > Not fuck you because you broke the rules. Fuck you because I don’t like your tone. I’ll bend the rules to make you guilty. It’s fundementally wrong. > > And that’s what that thread felt like. Fuck you, because I don’t like what you’re saying or how you said it. Time to dial it way back please. While we don’t have a rule against profanity in this forum, you are abusing the privilege. If I see more, you won’t like the result. **Gfactor** ATMB Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/44 "2011-06-19T16:30:17Z")
> [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > I did not warn nor chastise anyone for breaking rules. Yeah, you did. You clearly accused **guizot** of both hijacking and threadshitting, both of which are potential rules violations. You were Junior Modding. You were also: 1. Being a jerk 2. Insulting other posters 3. Disobeying moderator instructions 4. Disputing moderator actions outside of ATMB All of which are rules violations. So, if you really want us to adhere to the letter of the law, and if we applied each of these infractions to each one of your posts which constitute a rules violation, you would actually be guilty of at least 10 or 12 separate infractions in that thread alone. Be careful what you wish for. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/45 "2011-06-19T16:38:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yeah, you did. You clearly accused **guizot** of both hijacking and threadshitting, both of which are potential rules violations. You were Junior Modding. > > You were also: > > 1. Being a jerk > > 2. Insulting other posters > > 3. Disobeying moderator instructions > > 4. Disputing moderator actions outside of ATMB > > All of which are rules violations. > > So, if you really want us to adhere to the letter of the law, and if we applied each of these infractions to each one of your posts which constitute a rules violation, you would actually be guilty of at least 10 or 12 separate infractions in that thread alone. > > Be careful what you wish for. The warning: > [@Tijuana is not pronounced 'Tia-Wanna'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tijuana-is-not-pronounced-tia-wanna/585997/42): > > > [@Tijuana is not pronounced 'Tia-Wanna'](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tijuana-is-not-pronounced-tia-wanna/585997/28): > > > > Holy fucking shit, Private Guizot! Did you just simultaneously hijack and shit on this thread? I think you did. Your baggage does not mean shit to me or anyone else, so I strongly suggest you un-fuck yourself before someone else does it for you. > > Formal warning issued. > > Reason: Junior modding. I concur with this. In fact, your post in that thread coupled with your posts here look a lot like trolling. If I were you, I’d settle down before we revisit the decision to merely issue you a single warning. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/46 "2011-06-19T18:01:04Z")
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**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/47 "2011-06-19T19:22:39Z")
> [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > Fine. Then warn me for being a dick. I admit that I’m not in a good mood and that I might be acting like a dick. I was not trying to be a junior mod, and I think the accusation is more offensive than being called a dick. You admit here you engaged in behavior that merited a warning. I quite agree. The rest of the mod warning is therefore no worse than harmless error. And no one else in very interested in debating with you whether you were junior modding or merely being a dick. In my opinion, the warning ought to stand, and following your concession above, this thread ought to be closed. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/48 "2011-06-19T19:31:25Z")
> [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > If the objection is vulgarity, outlaw vulgarity. If we’re not allowed to be bitchy when another member posts inane things that rub us the wrong way, why bother? Seriously, what’s the point? > > Politely disagree? Fuck that. I do that in real life. So you plan on coming here to be bitchy, vulgar and aggressive? :rolleyes: How did we get so lucky? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/49 "2011-06-19T21:12:25Z")
**Jake Jones** , when I gave you the mod note and charging you with being a snark, I was including your post [#28](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/report.php?p=13931710)–the one I later issued the infraction for–under the general heading of snarkishness but didn’t quote it in the moderator note. Even though I didn’t specifically mention it, it contributed substantially to my decision that a word was in order. You were within a hair’s breadth of insulting other posters, which itself can garner a formal warning if directed at other specific posters. One way of looking at it is that you did exactly that, saying, in effect that people who shared the OP’s views were “affected assholes” and/or “douchebags”–hence calling the OP a douchebag, etc. Another way of looking at it is that you were skating just this side of the law, because you didn’t directly sling insults at specific posters. I took the second alternative which is why it was a mod note and not a formal warning. Regarding “tone”, that is a factor. Insulting other posters is allowed in the Pit, which also gives more leeway in the language you use to refute arguments or criticize others. Hypothetical: you’re in a bar arguing with a stranger about the pronunciation of Tijuana. He says “Tiwanna”; you say it’s “Tia-Wanna”, and moreover, that anyone who thinks your pronunciation is wrong is a raging douchebag. It’d probably end in a fight. Or do you really talk to people this way when debating academic or geographic minutiae IRL? On reconsideration I gave the infraction for the specific post #28. Junior moderating can be a gray area, it’s true. If Poster A tells newbie Poster B that his thread “might do better in a different forum”, or how to report a post, that’s being helpful. But if he tells Poster B how to behave on the SDMB, including accusations of specific violations, then that’s junior modding. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/50 "2011-06-19T21:34:59Z")
> [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > It’s not meaningless. He made a “Moderator Note” > > I replied. He brought up something that happened before the offending post and gave me an “Official Warning” for it. > > Everything else aside, how is that not utter bullshit? Your subsequent reply had nothing to do with the decision to issue a formal warning for post #28. We usually don’t go back and revisit something that was posted days or weeks ago, but when the OP is less than a day old, anything in the thread can come to the attention of the staff. The sequence of posts doesn’t necessarily matter–if we mod note you for something it doesn’t mean we can’t return and issue a warning for a prior post of yours in the same thread. And consider this: A moderator note isn’t meaningless in its context. But in the larger scheme of things, if the poster in question takes heed, a mod note tends to be all but forgotten by just about everyone. I’m not about to rescind the mod note; it’s up to you to make everyone else eventually forget about it. I opened the thread specifically because I know how freely the invective and vitriol can flow whenever pronunciation and usage come up for discussion, and thought I should take a look at it. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/51 "2011-06-19T21:56:13Z")
> [@carm](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Jake Jones: > > Nineteen to the dozen means I’m a motor mouth. I’m not sure how that applies, or what I’ve done to solicit a “Moderator Note” > > > > If you’re going to warn me about skirting posting guidelines, please do so with specific violations. If you want to call me an asshole, feel free. > > > > Otherwise? WTF, dude? I have no way to translate your “note” into meaningful data. Please feel free to elaborate. > > I think the above post was the real reason for the warning. I think this: > > > [@](#): > > > > Holy fucking shit, Private Guizot! Did you just simultaneously hijack and shit on this thread? I think you did. Your baggage does not mean shit to me or anyone else, so I strongly suggest you un-fuck yourself before someone else does it for you. > > was a perfectly reasonable response to this: > > > [@](#): > > > > Guizot: > > I can’t speak for Johnny–and I can’t really provide any “proof” of it, except from personal experience–but there is a history of people who pronounce it that way with a distinct leer in their voice and demeanor, when they want to associate the city with drugs, prostitution, and a place to go where you can get batshit drunk, piss on the sidewalk, and be a general asshole with impunity. These are typically students from State (you know, the “party” school), who would never do these things in public back East. In the minds of these people, they don’t see it for what it really is: a huge city with a vast population trying to get along like any other city. Considering the content matter of Locked up Abroad, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s why the narrator on the show pronounced it that way–I don’t know. You have a very interesting and unique definition of the word “reasonable.” ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/52 "2011-06-19T22:54:38Z")
Actual mods have weighed in and said most of it. > [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > Consider the charge. > > Junior Moderating > > Yes or no? Yes, you were junior modding. Accusing someone of hijacking is junior modding. Accusing someone of threadshitting is junior modding. Doing both at once is arguably two violations. > [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > And if being an occasional dick is grounds for dismissal from this site, fuck all y’all. Actually it is. Reserve being a dick to the Pit, or you will likely find your posting privileges revoked. > [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > If I’m participating in a forum full of dicks, … I predict this isn’t going to end well for you. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/53 "2011-06-20T00:11:05Z")
I’m just pissed that the original thread was closed. I wanted to weigh in with a few local pronunciation jokes when I found out that the OP of _this_ thread is from “Rottenchester”. :Waves Hi from Oswego: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/54 "2011-06-20T00:43:05Z")
Hee, hee, hee. Greetings from “Tewk-son.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/55 "2011-06-20T00:52:20Z")
That wasn’t junior modding. It was annoying and rude and I think there are a lot of guidelines you could make a case for it breaking but it wasn’t junior modding. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/56 "2011-06-20T01:03:49Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > I’m just pissed that the original thread was closed. I wanted to weigh in with a few local pronunciation jokes when I found out that the OP of _this_ thread is from “Rottenchester”. > > :Waves Hi from Oswego: 😃 At least he’s not from Sorry-excuse! (Syracuse). ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/57 "2011-06-20T04:42:38Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Reserve being a dick to the Pit, or you will likely find your posting privileges revoked. Speaking of junior modding… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/58 "2011-06-20T07:24:31Z")
I don’t know about “junior modding”… he accused someone of threadshitting and hijacking a thread. Sure, those are against the rules, but that doesn’t mean the poster was posting them in an attempt to _enforce_ the rules, as opposed to just telling someone “that’s annoying, knock it off”. (Full disclosure – I haven’t read any of that thread except the post quoted in the “junior modding” warning and the next couple replies.) I mean, being a jerk is also against the rules. But if I say “Hey, quit being a jerk” does that mean I’m junior modding? Even if I would say that _regardless of if it were a rule?_ But he replied to a moderator with “Fuck you”, so that’s probably a warning anyway I guess. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/59 "2011-06-20T07:41:48Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > I don’t know about “junior modding”… he accused someone of threadshitting and hijacking a thread. Sure, those are against the rules, but that doesn’t mean the poster was posting them in an attempt to _enforce_ the rules, as opposed to just telling someone “that’s annoying, knock it off”. (Full disclosure – I haven’t read any of that thread except the post quoted in the “junior modding” warning and the next couple replies.) > > I mean, being a jerk is also against the rules. But if I say “Hey, quit being a jerk” does that mean I’m junior modding? Even if I would say that _regardless of if it were a rule?_ > > But he replied to a moderator with “Fuck you”, so that’s probably a warning anyway I guess. This is why I deleted my post #46. If you are referring to > [@](#): > > 'm not trying to be dramatic, but I feel like this is wrong. So, I’m saying something. Maybe I’ve been a bit dramatic, but for good cause. But when you use the amount of invective that he does, it becomes rather hard to tell. > > Not fuck you because you broke the rules. Fuck you because I don’t like your tone. I’ll bend the rules to make you guilty. It’s fundementally wrong. > > **And that’s what that thread felt like.** Fuck you, because I don’t like what you’re saying or how you said it. I thought he was saying ‘fuck you’ to a mod, but on closer reading, I think the part I have bolded is where he explains what he means. But when you use the amount of invective that he does, it becomes rather hard to tell. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015/60 "2011-06-20T07:50:54Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > I thought he was saying ‘fuck you’ to a mod, but on closer reading, I think the part I have bolded is where he explains what he means. But when you use the amount of invective that he does, it becomes rather hard to tell. Tim’s referring to the post in the original topic, where he did say [“fuck you”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13931886&postcount=42) to the mod issuing the warning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-for-junior-moderating/586015.md?page=4)