# Warning honk for ICE raids **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 31, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460 "2025-10-31T16:49:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/21 "2025-11-01T02:03:05Z")
Is there actually a Supreme Court ruling covering the United States? The most I saw was a federal appeals court ruling that doesn’t appear to be binding on states outside its remit. “it could be perceived” sounds a bit less than authoritative. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/22 "2025-11-01T02:03:52Z")
I’m willing to make signs: HONK IF YOU LOVE JESÚS! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/23 "2025-11-01T02:31:01Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Is there actually a Supreme Court ruling covering the United States? Yes, from 1987. [https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/482/451/](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/482/451/) Essentially, a law that criminalizes verbally interrupting police operations is overbroad and a violation of the first amendment. The more recent ruling in district court was citing that earlier SCOTUS decision. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/24 "2025-11-01T02:45:26Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > It just needs a recognizable pattern that everybody could pick up on. Morse code could be useful here. How about dot-dot dash-dot-dash-dot dot (ICE) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/25 "2025-11-01T03:24:50Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > Morse code could be useful here. > [@Velocity](#): > > Yeah, Morse Code would be far too complex I feel like we’ve been over this already. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/26 "2025-11-01T03:35:28Z")
Your difficulty is in assuming that a Supreme Court decision in a marginally related case is always going to be cited by lower courts holding that speed trap warnings are protected free speech under all circumstances. As laws vary by jurisdiction, [it’s a dangerous assumption](https://www.valegalservices.com/blog/can-you-warn-other-drivers-about-speed-traps-in-virginia/), even if courts have generally agreed. (I’ve flashed headlights before to warn other drivers of an upcoming speed trap, but am careful about where and how I do so, not wanting to rely on an expensive legal process to prove I’m in the right). ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/27 "2025-11-01T04:19:57Z")
Form a crowd. Stay loud. > **[Whistle+Flier.pdf](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/658260ffaedeb8655aa6d2c7/t/68e83fd74a13d30d7e06585b/1760051159365/Whistle+Flier.pdf)** > > 4.39 MB > **[Pilsen Arts & Community House](https://www.pilsenartscommunityhouse.org/)** > > PACH is an art gallery and community center providing space and creative community engagement through arts and culture. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/28 "2025-11-01T04:27:23Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Your difficulty is in assuming that a Supreme Court decision in a marginally related case is always going to be cited by lower courts holding that speed trap warnings are protected free speech under all circumstances. Can you find a cite that says that the first amendment can be waived? I’m not talking about using it as an excuse to commit a different crime in the course of exercising your right to speak out on police activity, just that act on its own. I mean, yes, you could have local laws that violate the constitution and conflict with established federal law, but the legal system isn’t perfect. Heck, cops beat people and murder people and otherwise violate people’s civil rights, you can’t ever be 100% secure the law will protect you. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/29 "2025-11-01T11:42:57Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’m willing to make signs: > > HONK IF YOU LOVE JESÚS! The Real Jesus… not the gun-sucking MAGA Cracker Jesus… > **[Imgflip](https://imgflip.com/i/aatks9)** ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/30 "2025-11-01T12:27:27Z")
Setting aside all the legal questions … What does the OP propose to do and what purpose would it serve? Like I’m driving (or walking) down the street and I see [this police-ish thing] going on. So then I do [something noisy]. With the result that everybody else does [something else that’s somehow helpful to them]. Perhaps I’m stupid but I can’t figure out what step 3 is here. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/31 "2025-11-01T12:27:40Z")
In South Africa we regularly warn people about police presence- usually a speed camera - with a light flash and sometimes a specific hand gesture. (There is a whole [hand gesture language](https://www.southafrica.net/gl/en/trade/welcome/tip/taxi-hand-signals-in-johannesburg) in a country where the vast majority hitchhike or use informal ride-share “taxis”. Cars are an unusual luxury, limited mostly to middle class and up) Technically it is probably illegal, but it achieves the goal the police are supposed to be aiming towards, speeding, rather than their arrest count. I’d hoot the “fuck ice” rhythm if I was in the USA. After all, I am the child of an immigrant, my father was a grandchild of an immigrant. My children were born in South Africa, but I am an immigrant. An illegal immigrant for around three years until I got RSA citizenship. I’m white, so priviledge helped me get by. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/32 "2025-11-01T12:34:31Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What does the OP propose to do and what purpose would it serve? It would be an early warning system. If there is an ICE raid, it tells brown people to stay off the street for a while. I didn’t think it was that vague. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/33 "2025-11-01T12:41:48Z")
> [@Ancient\_Nerd](#): > > dot-dot dash-dot-dash-dot dot too complicated, but just the first letter could be used, even repeated. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/34 "2025-11-01T14:47:28Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What does the OP propose to do and what purpose would it serve? I read an article recently: > **[I Went to Watch the Tiny Operation That’s Making ICE Lose Its Mind. A Lot Can...](https://slate.com/business/2025/10/donald-trump-immigration-ice-raids-arrests-la.html)** > > At the headquarters for Donald Trump’s darkest work, a few people are getting under the administration’s skin. (paywalled, sorry) about a group that is collecting info on ICE agents and operations (mostly auto licenses and make/model), then spreading the alarm in areas where those agents seem to be headed. They can’t obstruct the ICE raids themselves, but they can warn the targets that one is coming, and sometimes that’s all that’s needed - the article cites one example of a raid on a car wash where the vulnerable employees, warned in time, got themselves into a room and locked the door, forcing ICE to get a warrant for a search (they didn’t get one and left) - all except for one employee, who ran for it and was caught. But this is a group that has built up some cred in the immigrant community. An easy-to-issue honk alarm might work for a while, but too many Proud Boys and groypers would do the “boy who cried wolf” thing and end up submerging any signal in vast amounts of noise. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/35 "2025-11-01T14:59:31Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Perhaps I’m stupid but I can’t figure out what step 3 is here. Profit! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/36 "2025-11-01T15:23:32Z")
Frosty the Snowman! Beeeeeeeep, beep, bee bee beeeep. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/37 "2025-11-01T15:43:49Z")
I’m not a Christian, though I was raised one. That picture makes me ill. It is such a twisted ugly way to represent the image of Jesus Christ. To most Christians this would be the most disgraceful form of sacrilege. In other words, I’m an atheist. And this shit offends _me_. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/38 "2025-11-01T17:47:21Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > To most Christians this would be the most disgraceful form of sacrilege. I’m a Christian and to me that might as well be an image of the Antichrist. It runs counter to the majority of what scripture portrayed. Above all else, Jesus preached peace and forgiveness, not making child soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/39 "2025-11-01T20:49:50Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > In other words, I’m an atheist. And this shit offends _me_. Say… \< looks left \> \< looks right \> You know that I’m not a fan of guns, right…? ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Nerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed655f/32.png) [@Ancient\_Nerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Nerd)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460/40 "2025-11-01T21:47:31Z")
The Morse code ‘C’ has a nice rhythm. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-honk-for-ice-raids/1024460.md?page=3)