# Warning to Darren\_Garrison \[in Deaths that sort of define a person thread\] **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 14, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031 "2023-07-14T14:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/1 "2023-07-14T14:32:52Z")
[Deaths that sort of define a person](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person/986999) > [@Deaths that sort of define a person](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person/986999/72): > > > [@Deaths that sort of define a person](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person/986999/61): > > > > Jayne Mansfeld > > Sufficated by her own breasts > [@Deaths that sort of define a person](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person/986999/83): > > I’m trying, and failing, to think of any way that this could be any more crude and tasteless. Even by the standards of locker room humor, which we’ve been trying for years to move away from, this would probably be over the line. > > I’ll be discussing this with the other mods, but in the meanwhile, this is at least a very stern Mod Note. Darren posted a link that demonstrates it’s a (near) quote from an episode of Seinfeld. > [@Deaths that sort of define a person](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person/986999/115): > > [Moderating] > OK, that’s your reaction to the mod note? I wasn’t sure before, but I am now: This is an official Warning for unnecessary crudeness. I don’t think this should be a warning. A note, possibly. But the fact that it’s a quote from popular culture makes a difference. And I don’t understand the anbgry reaction from @Chronos. Why does pointing out the source of the quote make it worse? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/2 "2023-07-14T14:47:24Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > But the fact that it’s a quote from popular culture makes a difference. From three decades ago? There are a lot of things we thought were funny back then that are simply offensive now. The _Frasier_ link in that thread is another one that hasn’t aged well. I’m not sure that kind of humor should be moderated but giving it some kind of protected status because it was thought harmless in the past is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/3 "2023-07-14T14:53:21Z")
Agreed, repeating a tasteless joke from a recognized source does not make it less tasteless. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/4 "2023-07-14T14:55:34Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > But the fact that it’s a quote from popular culture makes a difference. In what way? > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Why does pointing out the source of the quote make it worse? Arguing moderation in the same thread has always been a no-no, I’m sure that fed into it. And that whole sketch is just about objectifying a woman, so it’s hardly the defence Darren and you seem to think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/5 "2023-07-14T15:11:09Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > The _Frasier_ link in that thread is another one that hasn’t aged well. I’ve gone through the thread twice looking for a “Frasier” link. Little help? mmm ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/6 "2023-07-14T15:23:18Z")
I’d probably stick up for Darren in some similar instances, but this time he has the problem that the joke wasn’t funny when it was used on a sitcom. It’s not really awful, Jayne Mansfield was famous for her breasts, which she and others referred to humorously throughout her career. It’s just not a funny joke, her death was simply a horrific accident not at all related to her physical attributes. I would reduce the severity of the mod note though, it was a poor attempt at humor. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/7 "2023-07-14T15:31:54Z")
Okay, if you don’t think that quoting popular culture makes a difference, I won’t try to argue it. I suppose the biggest point is, it was a mod note until Darren explained where it came from, and then it was upgraded to a warning. I don’t understand the reason for the upgrade. I don’t see why this should annoy Chronos, or make it worse. I don’t have a problem with the note. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/8 "2023-07-14T15:35:40Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > it was a mod note until Darren explained where it came from, and then it was upgraded to a warning. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Arguing moderation in the same thread has always been a no-no If you get a mod note, apologize and walk away. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/9 "2023-07-14T15:38:20Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > If you get a mod note, apologize and walk away. Or bring it up to the mod via PM or open an ATMB thread if you must. But not in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/10 "2023-07-14T15:43:01Z")
So quoting popular culture somewhat excuses crudity? _All In The Family_, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/11 "2023-07-14T15:44:24Z")
It might when a crude joke pertains to the subject. In this case it didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/12 "2023-07-14T15:52:27Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > And I don’t understand the anbgry reaction from @Chronos. Why does pointing out the source of the quote make it worse? Yeah, it was meant as an explanation, not a doubling-down. Media-reference jokes are deeply engrained in the culture here, and I took it for granted that it would’ve been recognized as a _Sienfeld_ reference. I very certainly did not expecting an eye-rollingly hyperbolic rant. I’ll eat the warning without complaint, but there also will be _no_ contrition, and _no_ apology. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/13 "2023-07-14T16:01:35Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > and I took it for granted that it would’ve been recognized as a _Sienfeld_ reference. FWIW, I was a fan of _Sienfeld_ and watched the entire series, and I didn’t get the reference. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/14 "2023-07-14T16:05:29Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > I’ve gone through the thread twice looking for a “Frasier” link. > > Little help? Post #67 — “Lupe Velez”. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/15 "2023-07-14T16:06:30Z")
It is literally the _only_ thing I think of when I hear of Jane Mansfield. I didn’t even know how she actually died until I googled her last night after the beginning of the brouhaha. To me she has always been somebody that used to be a model or something who is mentioned in a classic Sienfeld episode. (On a similar note, if I saw someone mention Jill Goodacre, I know only that she was once trapped in an ATM vestibule with Chandler, and would have pointed that out.) ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/16 "2023-07-14T16:34:51Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Sienfeld > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Sienfeld > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Sienfeld Seinfeld ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/17 "2023-07-14T16:38:08Z")
I thought it looked wrong, but then checked how DG spelled it and changed it. _hangs head in shame_ ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/18 "2023-07-14T17:10:56Z")
Yet another factor is that @Darren_Garrison didn’t explain the origin of the quote. He just stuck in a link to a video of tasteless breast jokes, without any explanation. Surely, we all realize by now that contextless links are bad? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/19 "2023-07-14T17:15:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Surely, we all realize by now that contextless links are bad? Yes, in the future we must all write a 500-word essay summarizing any link that we are going to post. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031/20 "2023-07-14T17:20:29Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > an eye-rollingly hyperbolic rant. Where did that happen? > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yes, in the future we must all write a 500-word essay summarizing any link that we are going to post. Never mind, I should’ve read the whole thread before posting. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warning-to-darren-garrison-in-deaths-that-sort-of-define-a-person-thread/987031.md?page=2)