# Warnings Reversed? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 20, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195 "2020-05-20T16:50:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/21 "2020-05-21T14:39:09Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Oh, come on, no link?! Unrequited curiosity is even worse than unrequited love! :smack: The apology, [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20797978#post20797978](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20797978#post20797978) The warning, [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20815929#post20815929](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20815929#post20815929) Which puts me in the small handful of posters that actually got warnings for saying ‘fuck you’ in the Pit. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/22 "2020-05-21T14:41:23Z")
That example seems to stretch the notion of getting warned for apologizing. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/23 "2020-05-21T14:46:04Z")
Moderation is subjective. There’s a human reading and evaluating what’s going on. We cannot read every post on the board and often rely on reports of what is perceived by the community as bad behavior. So you have that factor as well, the situation is being filtered through their judgment of the situation and their rendering of the rules as they understand them. And context, always, Always, is everything. So we strive to be as correct as we can be in every situation. Sometimes we misunderstand. Sometimes we just plain miss it. Sometimes the decisions are not popular for any number of reasons. More often than not we get it right but hey, nobody bats 1000. That’s why if you think it’s a bad call you can appeal. You may be right; if so, we’ll correct it. You may also be mistaken. That judgment call thing runs both ways. Again, the point of notes and warnings is to point out bad behavior and to guide the user to better choices. It’s not so much the message itself but the greater lesson offered in it, that’s what matters here. We want you to correct this behavior, go forward, and sin no more. That’s really all there is to it. Jenny your humble TubaDiva Administrator Evil Nazi Jackbooted Mod Emeritus ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/24 "2020-05-21T14:48:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That example seems to stretch the notion of getting warned for apologizing. With apologies to you officer…then whines like a baby about his ticket for doing 110 in a 45 zone. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/25 "2020-05-22T05:16:35Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I got mine for apologizing! > > CMC fnord! Let me guess. You told someone “I’m sorry you’re an idiot”, right? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/26 "2020-05-22T05:21:13Z")
Okay, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/27 "2020-05-22T12:03:59Z")
I’ve had two reversed. Both times I didn’t have a reasonable opportunity to see the initial mod warning ‘of don’t do this or you will get a warning’ before posting the offending comment. On a 3rd one that I also appealed the mod pointed out to the other 2 reversals and the warning stuck. The 3rd one however was a bit different is that I misses the Mod’s warning posting in the ‘noise’ of the thread, the other two it was because I composed my post over some hours so didn’t see any mew postings including the Mod’s warning. But the reversals is kind of a warning in itself as they stick just like the warning. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/28 "2020-05-22T18:00:54Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That example seems to stretch the notion of getting warned for apologizing. Of course, he didn’t get the warning “for apologizing” at all. He got it for making it clear he knew the rule and decided to violate it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/29 "2020-05-22T18:25:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Of course, he didn’t get the warning “for apologizing” at all. He got it for making it clear he knew the rule and decided to violate it anyway. I’ve no problem with the way Miller tried very hard to never really enforce the stupid Ed required language rules in the Pit. The apology was for making Miller type out yet another non-warning warning to yet another poster that voluntary broke Ed’s stupid rule. If I hadn’t apologized Miller wouldn’t, I’m reasonably certain, have warned me for my first violation of the Pit language rule. By apologizing I took away Miller’s cover. In the end I take a weird pride in being in that rare group of posters warned for saying ‘fuck you’ in the Pit. I’m almost certain the Mods would welcome everyone else feeling, something like, that way about their minor warnings. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/30 "2020-05-22T19:23:00Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m almost certain the Mods would welcome everyone else feeling, something like, that way about their minor warnings. I’m 100% certain they would not. Believe it or not, we don’t actually like giving warnings (or at least I don’t). I very much dislike it when posters put me in the position of having to issue a warning by indicating that they are deliberately breaking a rule. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/31 "2020-05-22T19:37:02Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m 100% certain they would not. Believe it or not, we don’t actually like giving warnings (or at least I don’t). I very much dislike it when posters put me in the position of having to issue a warning by indicating that they are deliberately breaking a rule. To be clear.The ‘feeling’ is ‘Fair cop, got me dead to rights, nothing I can complain about’. Also, I deliberately broke a rule that was rarely actually enforced and enjoyed almost no support (including, IMHO, the person required to enforce said rule). CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/32 "2020-05-22T19:45:11Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > To be clear.The ‘feeling’ is ‘Fair cop, got me dead to rights, nothing I can complain about’. While we appreciate it when posters admit that they committed an offense when they have done it inadvertently, I really don’t like it when someone says, “I know this is going to get me a warning, but it’s worth it” We would rather you not disobey the rules in the first place. There’s zero to be proud of in what you did. You just made a difficult job more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/33 "2020-05-23T00:32:24Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Of course, he didn’t get the warning “for apologizing” at all. He got it for making it clear he knew the rule and decided to violate it anyway. Yep. That’s what got me my (next to last) warning. I not only said “Fuck you!” to a now-banned poster, but I returned to a post and added that sentiment on edit. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Terrific](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tom_terrific/32/342_2.png) [@Tom\_Terrific](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Terrific)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/34 "2020-05-23T01:30:02Z")
There aren’t any reversed warnings. Look up the Shodan banning, he had 11 warnings with 3 reversals. The way the totals were presented it was obvious that all warnings were counted including the supposedly reversed ones. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/35 "2020-05-23T15:07:24Z")
> [@Tom\_Terrific](#): > > There aren’t any reversed warnings. Look up the Shodan banning, he had 11 warnings with 3 reversals. The way the totals were presented it was obvious that all warnings were counted including the supposedly reversed ones. How was it obvious? Because they weren’t expunged from the record and made anathema to mention? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Terrific](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tom_terrific/32/342_2.png) [@Tom\_Terrific](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Terrific)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/36 "2020-05-23T19:59:34Z")
[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65) Quoting Jonathan Chance Many. Checking, he had eleven warnings since 2012. Three of them were later reversed on appeal. He had warnings in Great Debates, certainly. But he got them in IMHO, ATMB (Nice trick, that), and The BBQ Pit (another nice trick, that one). There were also endless notes. But what’s really indicative to me is that he was always in trouble of one sort of another. He’d get a warning, appeal it and maybe get it walked back. But he never changed. Even with the warnings being reversed he never seemed to take the lesson of ‘Maybe I’m breaking rules and should dial it back’ or even, ‘I wonder why I’m getting all these warnings?’ other than to blame it on moderation. It’s akin to Nixon blaming his tsuris on the liberal media rather than his own sense of persecution and overreaction.[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65) The reversed warning still counted against Shodan. I really don’t care if he was banned or not, I am just trying to point out the futility of fighting a warning. It is still there. Forever. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Terrific](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tom_terrific/32/342_2.png) [@Tom\_Terrific](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Terrific)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/37 "2020-05-23T20:05:59Z")
[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65) Quoting Jonathan Chance Many. Checking, he had eleven warnings since 2012. Three of them were later reversed on appeal. He had warnings in Great Debates, certainly. But he got them in IMHO, ATMB (Nice trick, that), and The BBQ Pit (another nice trick, that one). There were also endless notes. But what’s really indicative to me is that he was always in trouble of one sort of another. He’d get a warning, appeal it and maybe get it walked back. But he never changed. Even with the warnings being reversed he never seemed to take the lesson of ‘Maybe I’m breaking rules and should dial it back’ or even, ‘I wonder why I’m getting all these warnings?’ other than to blame it on moderation. It’s akin to Nixon blaming his tsuris on the liberal media rather than his own sense of persecution and overreaction. The reversed warning still counted against Shodan. I really don’t care if he was banned or not, I am just trying to point out the futility of fighting a warning. It is still there. Forever. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/38 "2020-05-23T21:09:10Z")
> [@Tom\_Terrific](#): > > There aren’t any reversed warnings. Look up the Shodan banning, he had 11 warnings with 3 reversals. The way the totals were presented it was obvious that all warnings were counted including the supposedly reversed ones. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > How was it obvious? Because they weren’t expunged from the record and made anathema to mention? > [@Tom\_Terrific](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65) > > Quoting Jonathan Chance > > Many. Checking, he had eleven warnings since 2012. Three of them were later reversed on appeal. He had warnings in Great Debates, certainly. But he got them in IMHO, ATMB (Nice trick, that), and The BBQ Pit (another nice trick, that one). > > There were also endless notes. > > But what’s really indicative to me is that he was always in trouble of one sort of another. He’d get a warning, appeal it and maybe get it walked back. But he never changed. Even with the warnings being reversed he never seemed to take the lesson of ‘Maybe I’m breaking rules and should dial it back’ or even, ‘I wonder why I’m getting all these warnings?’ other than to blame it on moderation. It’s akin to Nixon blaming his tsuris on the liberal media rather than his own sense of persecution and overreaction. > > The reversed warning still counted against Shodan. I really don’t care if he was banned or not, I am just trying to point out the futility of fighting a warning. It is still there. Forever. **Moderating** Let’s not hijack this into a discussion of Shodan. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/39 "2020-05-24T16:30:49Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I got mine for apologizing! > > CMC fnord! I got one for agreeing with someone. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195/40 "2020-05-24T18:28:02Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I got one for agreeing with someone. No you didn’t. You’ve received warnings for various kinds of jerkishness, but never for agreeing with someone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-reversed/854195.md?page=1)