# Warren forms Exploratory Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983 "2018-12-31T14:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/401 "2019-02-11T20:54:05Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I had things like murder, extortion, and torture in mind. Those seem like words with actual legal definitions, which is a problem for you. Your argument would look less silly if you picked words without legal definitions. Otherwise the simple counterargument to your (silly) claim that (e.g.) “Carter murdered people” is “no he didn’t.” On the other hand, if you were to argue that “Carter committed grievous mopery,” then your argument may not be any less silly, but it can’t be dismissed offhand. I mean, it can, but not by people quoting dictionaries at you. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/402 "2019-02-11T21:44:16Z")
Y’know, **WillFarnaby** , for a guy who claims to be a libertarian, you sure do support authoritarianism pretty strongly. Subverting democracy and embezzling are “neutral to positive”? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/403 "2019-02-12T00:00:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think there’s a real possibility this clown winds up in an orange jumpsuit, custom tailored to his **239** pound frame. That would certainly make for some funny photos! (my emphasis) > [@Lamoral](#): > > There’s no reason to fight back against the barbs. Trying to do so is counterproductive. > > Americans are getting absolutely gouged up the ass by healthcare costs, people are being plunged into debt by medical procedures that are either free or far more affordable in other countries…to name just one issue…the candidates would be better served by just hammering on those issues forcefully, and staying on message, than trying to “fight back against the barbs.” I agree. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/404 "2019-02-12T01:11:30Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of the things you listed, most are neutral to positive. The last two are icky, but small potatoes considering. [ol] [li]Conspiring with a hostile nation to subvert democracy[/li][li]Use of charities as slush funds[/li][li]Skimming of inaugural funds[/li][li]Hold meetings with foreign officials in the Oval Office while demanding that no witnesses be present[/li][/ol] I removed the last two, since you acknowledged that they were “icky”, but that leaves us with these four. “Most” would mean at least three of the things on that list. So, which three do you consider neutral to positive? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/405 "2019-02-12T01:32:25Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I had things like murder, extortion, and torture in mind. > > Of the things you listed, most are neutral to positive. The last two are icky, but small potatoes considering. > > To suggest someone should be locked up for meeting with someone is perhaps the most un-American thing I’ve heard in a long time. Sheese. You consider ANY of this neutral or positive? Do you also consider a mugging to be positive if you don’t get robbed of much or killed? ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/406 "2019-02-12T01:32:41Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I agree. Same here. I didn’t have fighting back in mind and have no interest in that, I was thinking of coping with his attacks and how well a candidate might be equipped to do that. Apologies for being unclear. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/407 "2019-02-12T10:10:00Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > [ol] > [li]Conspiring with a hostile nation to subvert democracy[/li][li]Use of charities as slush funds[/li][li]Skimming of inaugural funds[/li][li]Hold meetings with foreign officials in the Oval Office while demanding that no witnesses be present[/li][/ol] > > I removed the last two, since you acknowledged that they were “icky”, but that leaves us with these four. “Most” would mean at least three of the things on that list. So, which three do you consider neutral to positive? Firstly “conspiring with a hostile nation to subvert democracy” is political jargon for “tried to get dirt on Clinton from shady characters severa degrees removed from Russian government” - neutral Skimming inaugural funds - neutral Hold meetings - positive ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/408 "2019-02-12T14:20:44Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That would certainly make for some funny photos! Two pounds of dung in a one-pound sack. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/409 "2019-02-12T14:21:52Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > “tried to get dirt on Clinton from shady characters severa degrees removed from Russian government” How many degrees, specifically, is “several degrees removed”? Is it zero? It’s zero, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/410 "2019-02-12T22:02:54Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Two pounds of dung in a one-pound sack. Seriously. Warren spoke briefly at today’s National Indian Women Honor Luncheon: > [@](#): > > … According to details provided by a campaign aide after Warren’s appearance at the National Indian Women Honor Luncheon, she introduced Wampanoag Tribe of Gay Head Aquinnah chairwoman Cheryl Andrews-Maltais, a tribal leader and former senior advisor to the assistant secretary of Indian Affairs during the Obama administration. The senator was introduced by New Mexico Rep. Deb Haaland, one of the first two Native American women elected to Congress last year. > > … “Indian Country needs strong allies like Elizabeth Warren,” Haaland said, “whose unwavering commitment to Native communities and Native American women and children is needed in this political era.” > A spokeswoman for Haaland confirmed that the congresswoman introduced Warren at the luncheon. … [https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-lunch-unannounced-appearance/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-lunch-unannounced-appearance/index.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983.md?page=20)