# Warren forms Exploratory Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983 "2018-12-31T14:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/41 "2018-12-31T23:05:46Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > While usually a liberal state, one has to notice that the Governor in Massachusetts is a Republican, so it is not a sure thing that voters there would had gone for Warren. Look at the vote spread in almost every other Massachusetts Senate election, outside of the one anomalous special election that put a Republican in. Warren didn’t do anything special to make "mincemeat " out of her opponent. She didn’t even have to fight for the Dem nomination. She made me cringe every time I heard her stumping for Hillary and she seriously blew the Cherokee DNA stuff. She’s not the one for the job of campaigning against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/42 "2018-12-31T23:51:56Z")
Trump will roll over her like a garbage truck backing into a day care center. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/43 "2019-01-01T00:06:53Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > I think it’s going to be a “Bernie or Bust” 2020… His supporters won’t vote for anyone except Sanders, and he has many. This is an absurd statement. Hi, you don’t know me. I was a Bernie supporter. I really, really loved Bernie; and I really, really did not want the Clintons back in the White House. And not only am I fine with Elizabeth Warren running for President, I remember two different instances of progressives in early 2016 saying they would rather Warren were running, and they would support her over Clinton. One of those was after a meeting of Bernie supporters. Maybe you think voters are dumb, but we’re not so dumb that we think there will only ever be one candidate. Oh, and while this may not apply to you specifically, prediction time: In about a year, we’re going to see self-declared moderates claiming that Elizabeth Warren is a Russian plant, sent to undermine the “real” Democrats. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/44 "2019-01-01T00:12:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Look at the vote spread in almost every other Massachusetts Senate election, outside of the one anomalous special election that put a Republican in. Warren didn’t do anything special to make "mincemeat " out of her opponent. She didn’t even have to fight for the Dem nomination. I did already, we are talking about Warren, the cringe maker. Hence the point that since the Republicans have the governorship her victory was not a given in the age of Trump. > [@CarnalK](#): > > She made me cringe every time I heard her stumping for Hillary and she seriously blew the Cherokee DNA stuff. She’s not the one for the job of campaigning against Trump. As pointed, most people in Massachusetts did not see that a deal breaker. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/45 "2019-01-01T01:13:10Z")
She may not be the best overall candidate but she could make an excellent stalking horse. Particularly considering the early announcing of her intentions. I think we can expect Fox news to make a swift pivot from Hillary bashing into Warren bashing. By the 2020 primaries Warren will be an ultra liberal comminist harpy who pretended to be an Indian in order to advance her secret agenda of stealing the Whiteman’s lands and forcing them onto reservations. Meanwhile making whatever ho hum Bidenesque candidate actually ends up with the nomination seem like a reasonable choice in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/46 "2019-01-01T02:47:24Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > This is an absurd statement. > > Hi, you don’t know me. I was a Bernie supporter. I really, really loved Bernie; and I really, really did not want the Clintons back in the White House. > > And not only am I fine with Elizabeth Warren running for President, I remember two different instances of progressives in early 2016 saying they would rather Warren were running, and they would support her over Clinton. One of those was after a meeting of Bernie supporters. > > Maybe you think voters are dumb, but we’re not so dumb that we think there will only ever be one candidate. > > Oh, and while this may not apply to you specifically, prediction time: In about a year, we’re going to see self-declared moderates claiming that Elizabeth Warren is a Russian plant, sent to undermine the “real” Democrats. :rolleyes: Not all voters are dumb, but the reality is many voters are going to vote for one party or another no matter who they put up, and then you have about 5-20 million undecided voters who are low information and easily swayed. They are the ones that tend to decide an election. And if the democrats lose them they’ll probably lose in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/47 "2019-01-01T03:25:41Z")
I don’t care who it is. Just find somebody that all Democrats can vote for because, basically speaking, we need darned near all of them in order to overcome the Electoral College advantage that the Republicans have presently. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/48 "2019-01-01T07:04:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I did already, we are talking about Warren, the cringe maker. Hence the point that since the Republicans have the governorship her victory was not a given in the age of Trump. > As pointed, most people in Massachusetts did not see that a deal breaker. And you think Massachusetts is representative of the country as a whole? Ok. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/49 "2019-01-01T07:16:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > And you think Massachusetts is representative of the country as a whole? Ok. No, but closer than a few years back. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/50 "2019-01-01T07:26:29Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No, but closer than a few years back. Why? Massachusetts has had lots of Republican governors but Dems have locked up the Senate seats for decades. What do you think has changed? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/51 "2019-01-01T08:13:43Z")
2 things. 1. she hasn’t laid to rest the Pocohontas charge. Ya, it’s BS, but she hasn’t shown the bare knuckle requirements to put this in the past 2. She is 69 now, and will be 71 id elected. I’m pushing 60 and don’t want to see someone more than a decade older in the office. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/52 "2019-01-01T12:18:50Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Why? Massachusetts has had lots of Republican governors but Dems have locked up the Senate seats for decades. I’m guessing you were asleep in January 2010. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/53 "2019-01-01T12:40:48Z")
While I’m a long way from deciding who I’d like to see as the Dem nominee next year, I’m very glad that Warren is running. 1. I think she’s put more thought into the issues than any of the other likely candidates. By getting out there first, she forces the other prospective candidates to grapple with what she’s already said and written about the major issues. 2. Next to her, Bernie is a hollow man. They may occupy more or less the same ideological space, but she knows her shit much better than he does. He’s a show horse, she’s the real deal. 3. She’s openly taking on our generation’s version of what FDR called the “malefactors of great wealth” - the oligarchy of big banks, the oil companies that have fought against doing something about climate change, and so forth. It needs to be said that this is actually a pro-entrepreneurship position. Small businesses can only get so far when big businesses have near-monopoly power. 1. She’s explicit about the structural factors that aren’t just keeping the middle class down, but that have kept African-Americans from accumulating wealth. 2. [She makes a terrific case](https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1079734725323964417) for why she’s running. She’s thrown down one hell of a marker - sort of a ‘you’ve got to be at least _this_ good to run for the Dem nomination’ statement. There ought to be at least a few of the couple dozen or so prospective candidates who see that video, and have the sense to take a pass on this race. I’m not thinking of people like Beto or Kamala Harris or Sherrod Brown or Cory Booker, so much as the second-tier types like Eric Holder, Jay Inslee, Terry MacAuliffe, etc. But even the top-tier candidates might want to think about whether they can either (a) be a better spokesperson for a similar vision, or (b) lay out a strong case for a competing vision, of where this country needs to go, and what the Dems need to be doing about it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/54 "2019-01-01T13:19:16Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’m guessing you were asleep in January 2010. No. I mentioned the brief interlude caused by the special election loss in an earlier post. So are you agreeing with GIGO that it’s super impressive that Warren “made mincemeat” out of a Trump booster in Massachusetts? ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/55 "2019-01-01T17:10:58Z")
I’m afraid she’ll get bogged down in baggage just like Hillary did if she ends up winning the nomination and running against Individual 1. He’ll just keep on with the “Hurr durr Pocahontas!” and she’ll keep feeling the need to defend herself against it, which always backfires on her. I’m afraid that she’ll never get a coherent message out to the public that makes clear how harmful tRump’s “policies” have been and what makes her different or what she would do to improve things. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/56 "2019-01-01T17:27:49Z")
Elizabeth Warren is a genuine heroine but I desperately hope that she does NOT become the nominee. In the past, Democrats have been faced with the choice: \*Inspire the Base._or_Appeal to the Undecideds.\*I don’t know which of the two approaches makes more sense in normal times. _But these are not normal times._ If the Democratic Base needs to be “inspired” to turn out and vote for _any_ Democrat over D.J. Trump, then we’re beyond salvation. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/57 "2019-01-01T17:29:48Z")
The Don is going to personally trash whichever individual the Dems eventually settle on for his opponent. I am concerned that Warren, for whom I generally have a positive regard, will not have the sense of humor to deflect the insults and turn the ridicule back upon the born-to-be-ridiculed current president. The double standards involved are pretty irritating. While listening to a little conservative radio talk in my car yesterday, the host gleefully asked, with no apparent self awareness at all, how “anyone could be dumb enough to vote for Warren after the native American kerfluffle.” For people like that, one minor misstep is disqualifying while the number of untruths from his own candidate is in the thousands. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/58 "2019-01-01T19:10:29Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No. I mentioned the brief interlude caused by the special election loss in an earlier post. So are you agreeing with GIGO that it’s super impressive that Warren “made mincemeat” out of a Trump booster in Massachusetts? It is based on the criticisms you and others point out, IOW: your criticisms are underwhelming in the the light of the support she did get in Massachusetts. The results showed that the criticisms are not deal breakers for liberals, moderate Democrats and even moderate Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/59 "2019-01-01T19:24:44Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > The Don is going to personally trash whichever individual the Dems eventually settle on for his opponent. I am concerned that Warren, for whom I generally have a positive regard, will not have the sense of humor to deflect the insults and turn the ridicule back upon the born-to-be-ridiculed current president. I think that one should look at the debates for the senate to get a taste of what is coming: > **[Here are the 3 most contentious moments from the debate between Elizabeth...](https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/10/20/elizabeth-warren-geoff-diehl-first-debate/)** > > Sen. Elizabeth Warren and her challenger, Republican state Rep. Geoff Diehl, faced off in their first debate Friday night. And with a few exceptions, there wasn’t a ton of agreement. \[…\] > [@](#): > > Diehl noted that he opposed the state and local tax deduction repeal aspect of the Republican tax bill, even though he generally supported the legislation. So Warren challenged him to take back his words about having Trump’s back. > > “Let’s talk about, if we’re going to talk about character, what it means to have Donald Trump’s back,” she said. “It means, of course, being the vote to roll back health care for tens of millions of Americans. It means a trillion-and-a-half-dollar tax giveaway, and paid for, the Republicans say, by cutting Social Security and Medicare. It means standing by Donald Trump when he calls white supremacists in Charlottesville ‘fine people.'” > > Diehl said the Republican tax bill was benefiting Massachusetts, citing the state’s decades-low unemployment rate. Warren said the tax cuts disproportionately benefited “billionaires and giant corporations” and that the Republican-controlled Congress wasn’t “working for the rest of America.” Diehl responded that it was Sen. Mitch McConnell, the Republican majority leader, who most recently suggested cutting “entitlements” to pay down the national debt. > > “I am not a Mitch McConnell Republican,” he said. “I am a Massachusetts Republican that has worked with Democrats and Republicans.” > > Warren interjected, asking when exactly Diehl had opposed the McConnell-led tax cuts. > > “I think I’m doing it right now,” he said. > > “Oh, you waited until tonight?” Warren retorted. > [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > The double standards involved are pretty irritating. While listening to a little conservative radio talk in my car yesterday, the host gleefully asked, with no apparent self awareness at all, how “anyone could be dumb enough to vote for Warren after the native American kerfluffle.” For people like that, one minor misstep is disqualifying while the number of untruths from his own candidate is in the thousands. Yes, there is indeed that, but lets remember that that and worse was tried in Massachusetts and it failed, as for what should happen in other places, remember that Trump and republicans like him lost suburbia and the cities vote for the House in the past midterms. For the conservatives, their echo [del]cave[/del] chamber is getting smaller. > **[The suburbs turned on Republicans and Trump. The midterm election results...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/11/08/midterms-suburbs-republicans-democrats-trump/1921590002/)** > > Voters in wealthy, educated suburbs shifted their loyalties to Democrats, abandoning Trump and Republicans, midterm election results show. > [@](#): > > “Just as the rural vote revolt has continued to benefit Trump and Republicans, a new suburban revolt, especially among college-educated women, has worked to the benefit of the Democratic party and will probably continue,” said Larry Sabato, founder and director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. > > Take Republican-leaning Delaware County, Ohio, north of Columbus. A quarter of its votes went for Democrats in 2016, when Trump narrowly won the state. On Tuesday, that number jumped to 44 percent – a fluctuation of 19 percentage points. Morris County, New Jersey, sitting across the Hudson River from New York City, posted a 15-percentage-point increase for Democrats. DuPage County outside Chicago saw a 10 point change. > > The trend persisted in suburbs across the country and in congressional districts that flipped from Republican to Democrat, contributing to the Democrats’ new House majority. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/60 "2019-01-01T19:34:10Z")
Honestly I’m glad to see Warren is running. She is a very intelligent, well spoken individual and I agree with most of the things she stands for and supports. Also, she really gets under the President’s skin and that always is a plus. I have no clue at this point if she really has a shot at getting the nomination or winning. I’ve said before that to win the Democrats have to put forward a nominee who can connect with middle-class, mostly blue collar voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania who went GOP in 2016. The midterms seemed to indicate a good percent of those voters are realizing they got flim-flammed. Is Warren the one who can bring them back to the blue side? Personally I have my doubts but I’ve been wrong before. I just have a gut feeling progressives from either coast will have a harder time connecting with the type of Midwestern voters needed to win in 2020. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983.md?page=4)