# Warren forms Exploratory Committee **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983 "2018-12-31T14:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/81 "2019-01-02T03:52:23Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I’d be willing to bet that ‘Criminal Justice for Profit’ refers to our system of for-profit prisons. And I’d concur that such is a true injustice that we should work to reverse. That makes sense but they are mostly supported by the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/82 "2019-01-02T08:36:38Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I don’t care who it is. Just find somebody that all Democrats can vote for because, basically speaking, we need darned near all of them in order to overcome the Electoral College advantage that the Republicans have presently. Yes, that Electoral College advantage the Republicans have that made it so hard for Democrats to win two of the last three presidential elections… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/83 "2019-01-02T09:07:53Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Yes, that Electoral College advantage the Republicans have that made it so hard for Democrats to win two of the last three presidential elections… This is a bit like arguing that the democrats don’t have a gerrymandering problem because they retook the house in 2018. Yes, democrats won in 2008 and 2012. They did so with a huge margin. Meanwhile, Trump lost the popular vote by an unprecedented 3 million votes and won the election. Bush won two elections by razor-thin margins. The dems don’t have that liberty. If they don’t win by a lot they just lose. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/84 "2019-01-02T11:11:14Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > If Bernie doesn’t run, I’m not voting. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke (attr.) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/85 "2019-01-02T11:48:24Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > Hillary is a right-winger… Hillary Clinton has supported the War in Iraq, War in Libya, killing Gadaffi, Wall St., NAFTA, TPP, Patriot Act, Criminal Justice for profit, DOMA, DOn’t Ask Don’t Tell So is she better or worse than Donald Trump? Do you see any relevant differences there? Do you see any case to be made that one of those two candidates was better or worse than the other? > [@](#): > > If Bernie doesn’t run, I’m not voting. Do you see any relevant differences between Trump and any of the following: [ul] [li]Biden[/li][li]Warren[/li][li]Harris[/li][li]Baldwin[/li][/ul] Any differences worth mentioning at all? Can you make the argument that certain ones of them are “better” or “worse” on certain issues than Donald Trump? Because that’s the comparison you need to be making. Regardless of who the democratic nominee is, the fair comparison is not “the person I wanted to see win the primary”. Because the election isn’t going to be Harris vs. Sanders or Baldwin vs. Sanders. It’s going to be \ vs. Trump. And by saying that you won’t vote unless it’s Bernie, the message you are necessarily endorsing is “there is no difference in these candidates”. Which is a very dangerous and wrong message to endorse when one of the candidates is Donald Trump. > [@](#): > > Not to mention she was a REgistered Republican until the 1995… …Meaning that she changed her mind more than 20 years ago. She hasn’t been part of the republican party since a year after I was born. She left right around the time the party jumped off the deep end. Just so you know - when people talk about insane purity tests, this is what they’re talking about. You’re giving her shit for a position she publicly repudiated **24 years ago**. That’s just… what? Really? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/86 "2019-01-02T12:12:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Great, I stand corrected on a point I had already mentioned. The Republicans have enjoyed a wbole 3 years of a single Mass Sen seat in the last 30. Nit successfully picked. > > The point remains her win was not impressive and DSeid’s cite points out it was rather unimpressive. She is not a good campaigner and I bet that will become obvious once we get close to the primaries and she gets actual competition. That’s nice, sweetie. Now go make me a sammich. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/87 "2019-01-02T13:36:18Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That’s nice, sweetie. Now go make me a sammich. Boy that’s an impressive response! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/88 "2019-01-02T13:40:20Z")
> [@MortSahlFan](#): > > If Bernie doesn’t run, I’m not voting. Translation: “if I don’t get my Perfectly Pure Magical Pony Candidate, the country can go to hell AFAIAC.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/89 "2019-01-02T13:46:12Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Boy that’s an impressive response! It’s the one he deserves. He’s doing his best to embroil me in a debate between him and **GIGObuster** that I have no interest in. I’m tired of his stupid pretense that I’m somehow taking **GIGO** ’s side, when I’d have to go back and look to see what that side is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/90 "2019-01-02T13:55:20Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Translation: “if I don’t get my Perfectly Pure Magical Pony Candidate, the country can go to hell AFAIAC.” I thought the focus of that sentiment had shifted from Sanders to Ocasio-Cortez. Apparently that’s still in process. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/91 "2019-01-02T14:57:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I thought the focus of that sentiment had shifted from Sanders to Ocasio-Cortez. Apparently that’s still in process. It helps that she’s not eligible to be President this cycle. Just in general, I hope we don’t get a cast of dozens running for President. Have to win at all levels in 2020, hate to see all the Dem energy go into the Presidential race. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/92 "2019-01-02T15:32:11Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It helps that she’s not eligible to be President this cycle. I know, but the sort of demands for pandering that the Sanders crowd had been demanding in 2016 are echoed by the demands for the House to do whatever Ocasio-Cortez wants. At least judging by my Facebook feed. 😉 > [@](#): > > Just in general, I hope we don’t get a cast of dozens running for President. Depends on the media coverage. If that sort of primary lets a winger get the nomination while the rest get the focus, like the media let Trump get away with in 2016, that isn’t good for the country. If, however, they’re all responsibly focused on presenting their policy differences as matters of emphasis, in a structure of general focus on improving our society and country, that can be good advertising. > [@](#): > > Have to win at all levels in 2020, hate to see all the Dem energy go into the Presidential race. Yep. Both Obama and Clinton made that mistake, pulling all available party resources into their own campaigns and shortening their own coat-tails unnecessarily. We know the results. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/93 "2019-01-02T15:32:50Z")
☹ Jan 2, 2019 and I just saw the first Warren commercial on YouTube. OMG it’s going to be a long miserable 22 months until the election. The political ads for all the candidates will be unrelenting. Warren’s already chugged a beer. Why she’s just a down home lady from Oklahoma just like me. Talk about rebranding yourself. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/94 "2019-01-02T15:47:13Z")
YouTube? You’d have had to be looking for it. No sympathy. Yes, American campaigns are continuous now. Welcome to the 21st Century. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/95 "2019-01-02T16:03:20Z")
Not hardly. I clicked a guitar amp repair video and up pops a Warren ad. It’s all about her down home Oklahoma upbringing. **rebranding** I go to YouTube to unwind and escape the misery of today’s political news. It’s going to be a long miserable 22 months of various political ads. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/96 "2019-01-02T16:07:27Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It’s the one he deserves. He’s doing his best to embroil me in a debate between him and **GIGObuster** that I have no interest in. I’m tired of his stupid pretense that I’m somehow taking **GIGO** ’s side, when I’d have to go back and look to see what that side is. No, RT. The one he deserves is less snarky and dismissive. Be civil. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/97 "2019-01-02T16:25:00Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/98 "2019-01-02T17:50:00Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > No, RT. The one he deserves is less snarky and dismissive. Be civil. Well, less snarky and more civil, anyway. BUT: if someone tries to drag me into a fight I want no part of, I will be dismissive. But in a civil manner from here on. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/99 "2019-01-02T18:30:35Z")
Stick a fork in her. Any donation to her is a donation to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983/100 "2019-01-02T20:16:49Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > … > She’s thrown down one hell of a marker - sort of a ‘you’ve got to be at least _this_ good to run for the Dem nomination’ statement. There ought to be at least a few of the couple dozen or so prospective candidates who see that video, and have the sense to take a pass on this race. > > I’m not thinking of people like Beto or Kamala Harris or Sherrod Brown or Cory Booker, so much as the second-tier types like Eric Holder, Jay Inslee, Terry MacAuliffe, etc. But even the top-tier candidates might want to think about whether they can either (a) be a better spokesperson for a similar vision, or (b) lay out a strong case for a competing vision, of where this country needs to go, and what the Dems need to be doing about it. I think that’s extremely insightful. Would love it if this helps narrow things down right off the bat, setting a high bar for the level of competence expected. Personally, I REALLY like Warren. But I fear her carrying the Dem banner for 2 reasons: 1. 2016 provided plenty of evidence that misogyny is alive and well. Not saying that is the ONLY reason Hillary lost, but I’m confident it was sufficient reason for some significant number of voters to vote for anybody w/ a penis. Sorry ladies - not this time around. Maybe in the VP slot. 2. I think 2018 signaled a trend towards youth. While the Dems don’t need to name someone in their 40s, I’d like to at least see someone in their 50s or lower 60s. Personally, I think the level of misogyny prevalent in our society is a disgrace. But this next election is just too important to run the risk. Looking longterm, I’d like to see a younger male - maybe hispanic? - at the top of the ticket - with an EXTREMELY diverse VP and cabinet. Set the stage for the next several elections - and hopefully influence what the Repubs will have to bring to compete. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warren-forms-exploratory-committee/826983.md?page=6)