# Warren's new "detailed" MFA plan relies on a ' Employer Medicare Contribution' she never defines **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 2, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921 "2019-11-02T16:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921/41 "2019-11-05T12:57:49Z")
Medicare for all does that include congress? ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921/42 "2019-11-05T15:09:23Z")
In the long run tax incidence theory is that the employee will pay all of the payroll taxes just like the employee currently pays all of the FICA taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921/43 "2019-11-05T18:39:13Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > In the long run tax incidence theory is that the employee will pay all of the payroll taxes just like the employee currently pays all of the FICA taxes. The same could be said of health insurance premiums. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921/44 "2019-11-05T18:46:46Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is seriously turning into a “Read my lips, no new taxes” moment. Are you sure it’s not a “grab her by the pussy” moment? Or a “they are sending rapists” moment? Or a “Mexico will pay for the wall” moment? Need I go on? The point is how can your side still be banking on this gotcha stuff with what you have put into the oval office? Seems to me you’ve made that kind of political calculation obsolete now. Isn’t it kind of quaint to think that a 1988 era political miscalculation has any kind of relevance to the reality shit show of our current politics? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921/45 "2019-11-06T01:34:17Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > The point is how can your side still be banking on this gotcha stuff with what you have put into the oval office? Because for Republicans, the ends justify the means; they don’t need to win epistemic arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Linden\_Arden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Linden\_Arden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linden_Arden)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921/46 "2019-11-16T14:37:39Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Let’s say?” Last time I came into one of your threads with numbers, I was completely ignored. So let’s go with reality as opposed to “let’s saying”, shall we? I tend to ignore you because you post non-sequiturs that have no bearing on the topic. For instance this time you quibble about how the total cost of family premiums are constructed. I used $18,000 as an example of a total premium burden. You tried to misdirect the conversation into detail about how each person in a family is billed. The total is the total. also, after some shabby poll numbers this week (11% on Ipsos/Reuters) Warren is walking back on her ridiculous “plan”. > [@](#): > > Elizabeth Warren Retreats From Medicare for All > > Her plan to pass a public option before pivoting to single-payer is too clever for its own good. > **[Elizabeth Warren Retreats From Medicare for All](https://newrepublic.com/article/155756/elizabeth-warren-retreats-medicare)** > > Her plan to pass a public option before pivoting to single-payer is too clever for its own good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warrens-new-detailed-mfa-plan-relies-on-a-employer-medicare-contribution-she-never-defines/842921.md?page=2)