# Was 9/11 an inside job? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 30, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984 "2013-09-30T05:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![onefour1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/96bed5/32.png) [@onefour1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/onefour1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/1 "2013-09-30T05:27:04Z")
After watching many of the “Loose Change” videos and others regarding the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, I am curious if others have viewed these videos and whether they think 9/11 was an inside job. If you haven’t viewed the video you can view it at: [Loose Change](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWii5lHITrY) In your view, was it an inside job? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/2 "2013-09-30T05:46:09Z")
You explain first what you think. That’s how it’s done around here. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/3 "2013-09-30T06:03:43Z")
> [@onefour1](#): > > In your view, was it an inside job? No. And yes, it has been done already, and others can tell you the mendacity the makers of that video have. > **[Loose Change](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Loose_Change)** > > Loose Change is a 2005 schlockumentary film produced by Dylan Avery, Korey Rowe and Jason Bermas. It received widespread attention on the Internet–and that doesn't bode well for evaluating the intelligence of the billions that use it. Through... That video is a perfect example of Occam’s Duct Tape: > **[Occam's razor](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Occam%27s_Duct_Tape)** > > Occam's razor is a logical razor which states that one should never make more assumptions than the minimum necessary to explain something; or, if you don't have explicit evidence to believe that something is true, then you should not. It is named... > [@](#): > > Occam’s duct tape > > The opposite mental process to Occam’s razor — to avoid simplicity, to leave no entity unmultiplied and to make as many unnecessary assumptions as possible when pondering an idea — is sometimes referred to (in jest) as Occam’s duct tape. ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/4 "2013-09-30T06:09:44Z")
Yes. I can’t say more. Not now. They’re too close. I’ve hidden proof in [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=4). You’ll have to find it yourself, there’s no time. Be strong, they can’t get us all ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/5 "2013-09-30T09:38:22Z")
> [@picker](#): > > Yes. I can’t say more. Not now. They’re too close. > > I’ve hidden proof in [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?f=4). You’ll have to find it yourself, there’s no time. > > Be strong, they can’t get us all [black ops helicopter] waka-waka-waka-waka-waka-waka-waka [/black ops helicopter] ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/6 "2013-09-30T10:12:33Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > [black ops helicopter] waka-waka-waka-waka-waka-waka-waka [/black ops helicopter] Run! It’s the Fozz-ie! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/7 "2013-09-30T10:19:54Z")
To answer the OP in as much seriousness as I can muster: no. It was not an inside job. And if by some chance the CIA (or someone of their ilk) were behind it, the simplest way of achieving the goal of making it look like a small group of terrorist extremists had hijacked planes and flown them into buildings would be to fund a small group of terrorist extremists willing to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. Bombs and media blackouts and hologram-emitting missiles and military training exercises and vast international conspiracies - why bother, when for about a hundred grand you could get some young hotheads visas, flying lessons and a few boxcutters? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/8 "2013-09-30T11:16:26Z")
> [@onefour1](#): > > After watching many of the “Loose Change” videos and others regarding the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, I am curious if others have viewed these videos and whether they think 9/11 was an inside job. If you haven’t viewed the video you can view it at: > > [Loose Change](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWii5lHITrY) > > In your view, was it an inside job? Loose Change has been about as thoroughly debunked as videos get. The claims made therein amount to either things that are easily proven wrong, or a whole lot of JAQing off. [It is not reliable or honest](http://screwloosechange.blogspot.de/). If that is your only source, you need to find better sources. There is no basis for the claims made therein. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/9 "2013-09-30T11:23:38Z")
Even the douchebag who made Loose Change says he doesn’t believe in the inside job theory anymore. Google “Loose Change viewer’s guide” and you find a nice .doc file to download and read. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/10 "2013-09-30T12:12:54Z")
> [@onefour1](#): > > In your view, was it an inside job? No. ---
**Author:** ![Farin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e79b87/32.png) [@Farin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/11 "2013-09-30T12:19:08Z")
Yes. The terrorists were inside the plane and caused four crash landings on September 11, 2001. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/12 "2013-09-30T13:06:56Z")
> [@picker](#): > > Be strong, they can’t get us all Yes…Yes we can… Muwahahahahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/13 "2013-09-30T13:36:43Z")
Inside of what? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/14 "2013-09-30T13:49:18Z")
The asylum, apparently. One that allows drive-bys. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/15 "2013-09-30T13:53:22Z")
No. For one to accept the claims made in the Loose Change video, one has to either completely ignore or completely discount the findings of the 9/11 Commission Report. I advise the OP to read the full report, or at the very least, its Executive Summary, and then determine whether the Loose Change claims seem to hold water or not. If the OP insists that the 9/11 Commission report is false, there are the dual problems of explaining why the Loose Change claims are any more plausible than what is in the official report, and why a group of more than eighty persons, many of whom were politically unrelated to each other, would willingly sign their names to a document containing information they did not themselves believe to be true. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/16 "2013-09-30T13:53:28Z")
It was an outside job, I remember there being bright sunshine. But seriously: > [@Gyrate](#): > > To answer the OP in as much seriousness as I can muster: no. It was not an inside job. And if by some chance the CIA (or someone of their ilk) were behind it, the simplest way of achieving the goal of making it look like a small group of terrorist extremists had hijacked planes and flown them into buildings would be to fund a small group of terrorist extremists willing to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. > > Bombs and media blackouts and hologram-emitting missiles and military training exercises and vast international conspiracies - why bother, when for about a hundred grand you could get some young hotheads visas, flying lessons and a few boxcutters? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/17 "2013-09-30T14:23:04Z")
The old saying “Two people can keep a secret only if one of them is dead” applies here. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/18 "2013-09-30T15:16:48Z")
Loose Change = Loose Screws. ---
**Author:** ![ruben4ruben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8c91f0/32.png) [@ruben4ruben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruben4ruben)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/19 "2013-09-30T16:32:26Z")
What was fake or debunked about Loose Change? One could click on the links but if it was so completely debunked could anyone at least mention one major piece of evidence in their own words? Just asking cause i find it easy to point to a site or report and claim it was debunked. Example, 1: At the exact moment i saw the towers collapse on the news i said it looked like a controlled demolition. All of the tower collapsed in neat fashion we know from controlled demolition. I don’t need Loose Change or anyone to notice that. 2: I always found it strange all the rubbish of the towers was quickly shipped off and destroyed. That’s a crime scene erased in a world record breaking way. I don’t need Loose Change to notice that’s abnormal. 3: False flagging is a tried and tested tactic. (of course only bad governments do that) If the first 2 things i mentioned have been proven false please tell me. I might have missed the debunking. If so, forgive me. I can’t say anything about the OP’s question, cause i don’t know. I have no stance. But i would like to hear some more arguments instead of pointing to reports and links. So far the replies are just referring instead of reasoning and mostly ridiculing. Or isn’t anyone even interested? I don’t think there was anything funny about what happened in 2001. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/20 "2013-09-30T16:37:59Z")
1- What, do you expect the towers to have remained intact as they fell over like giant dominos? That wasn’t going to happen. 2- The tower rubble sat on extemely valuable property, plus the wreckage was too painful a reminder of the event and nobody wanted it to remain. 3- When you have video of an event happening, it’s hard to wave it off as a false flag. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984.md?page=2)