# Was 9/11 an inside job? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 30, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984 "2013-09-30T05:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/41 "2013-09-30T17:58:22Z")
The CIA/NSA are too incompetent. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/42 "2013-09-30T18:21:28Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > 1: At the exact moment i saw the towers collapse on the news i said it looked like a controlled demolition. All of the tower collapsed in neat fashion we know from controlled demolition. > I don’t need Loose Change or anyone to notice that. 1. How many structural collapses of large, steel framed buildings have you ever witnessed? If it looked like a controlled demolition to you, it may be because a) you don’t know much about controlled demolitions; b) it’s the only thing that you could call on to mentally process an experience you had never witnessed before. 2. Find a video clip of the towers’ collapses and run it, frame by frame if you want. In both cases, where does the collapse begin? I am absolutely certain you will find that _it occurred at or near the floors where the planes impacted_. Would you think that’s just coincidence? Do you think that controlled demolitions include options as to on which floor the charges go off first? Now consider that buildings are designed to support mostly static loads. What if we take the top 30 or 40 floors of a tall building, a mass of thousands of tons, and convert that to a dynamic load by dropping it ten feet onto the structure below it, like a hammer head striking a nail. What do you think might happen? If you are still insistent on the controlled demo theory after that, we could then maybe go on to the ever-popular “why did they feel it necessary to implode the buildings after flying planes into them at 400 MPH”, and my personal favorites, “Who agreed to knowingly plant explosive charges all up and down the towers, and how was it no one at all noticed all this construction work going on?” ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/43 "2013-09-30T18:34:09Z")
Let’s also remember that demolition charges are FUCKING LOUD. Had such demolition been used on 9/11 everyone in Lower Manhattan would be deafened. As it stands we don’t even hear anything on the multiple video shots. And don’t even think of suggesting thermite, or nanothermite, or supernanothermite. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/44 "2013-09-30T18:36:11Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > These cunts have advertised on buses in Ottawa! Yeah I saw that too. “Did you know a third tower fell?” yes. yes we did. So? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/45 "2013-09-30T18:42:48Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > 2: I always found it strange all the rubbish of the towers was quickly shipped off and destroyed. That’s a crime scene erased in a world record breaking way. I don’t need Loose Change to notice that’s abnormal. Abnormal? So you’re saying that in all of the hundreds of other times when giant skyscrapers have been knocked over by alleged terrorists, all the debris was left in place while it was studied, and so on this one oddball occasion, the fact that it was removed is somehow suspicious? Please point me to documentation of all of these other attacks so I can see how sites like this are “normally” handled. I somehow missed out on them when they happened. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/46 "2013-09-30T18:47:16Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > These cunts have advertised on buses in Ottawa! Further proof of their plans for the North American Union. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/47 "2013-09-30T20:57:38Z")
> [@onefour1](#): > > In your view, was it an inside job? No. > [@ruben4ruben](#): > > What was fake or debunked about Loose Change? Pretty much everything. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/48 "2013-09-30T20:59:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > How many controlled demolitions have you seen that started mid-span and produced a dust cloud that spread for several square miles, and were not preceded by the sound of explosions? > > None? One, although somebody stripped the audio from it so Richard Gage could get a favorable side-by-side comparison with WTC 7. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/49 "2013-09-30T21:13:09Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > What was fake or debunked about Loose Change? > [@Kolga](#): > > Pretty much everything. _Loose Change_: So full of holes that we had to keep making more to fill those holes - without bothering to mention why they needed filing. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/50 "2013-09-30T21:32:48Z")
I used to have the domain [LooseChangeGuide.com](http://LooseChangeGuide.com), and I guess the guy who was hosting the web files for me stopped doing that. I still own the domain name, it just apparently doesn’t point to a valid server anymore. I thought Loose Change believers had gone the way of the dodo, but in case anyone wants to provide a server for the files, I’ll send them to you and point the DNS there. Not sure if it’s worth it - there are probably only about two people in the world who are still taken in by LC. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/51 "2013-10-01T08:53:45Z")
> [@ruben4ruben](#): > > What was fake or debunked about Loose Change? One could click on the links but if it was so completely debunked could anyone at least mention one major piece of evidence in their own words? As others have stated, just about everything, to the point where you asking this is like asking, “what evidence is there that Noah’s Flood didn’t happen”. It’s hard to pick out any individual lie as important, because almost all of it is unmitigated bullshit. It’s better that you point out what you find particularly convincing, and we address that individual. > [@](#): > > Just asking cause i find it easy to point to a site or report and claim it was debunked. Yes, because it’s been done, multiple times, and going over and debunking _the entire movie_ again is just redundant. > [@](#): > > Example, > > 1: At the exact moment i saw the towers collapse on the news i said it looked like a controlled demolition. All of the tower collapsed in neat fashion we know from controlled demolition. > I don’t need Loose Change or anyone to notice that. You know what I find hilarious about this claim? That it neatly coincides with another common conspiracy target: the collapse of WTC Tower 7. You know, how you’d never seen a building like that just fall down on its own? Well, it turns out that it burned for literally hours. What set it on fire? _Debris from the other two towers that collapsed_. It’s a shame you didn’t bring up Tower 7 on your own, because that would have been too funny. It’s not neat like a controlled demolition, it caused substantial damage to the surrounding area. > [@](#): > > 3: False flagging is a tried and tested tactic. (of course only bad governments do that) Of course - but this says _nothing_. It’s true that pharmaceutical companies have a motivation to discredit the idea that you can cure cancer with everyday household objects, but that does nothing to support the idea that they’re actually suppressing this information, and even less to support the idea that the information is actually _true_. Saying that something is a tried and true tactic is nice, but unless you can actually show that it is said tactic, and not something else (as previously mentioned, terror attacks are also tried and tested and a hell of a lot more common with better supporting evidence and considerably less confounding evidence), you have nothing to go on. It’s not enough to point to a motivation, or a method. We _have_ a motivation and a method: Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda’s motivation was that they wanted to terrorize the citizens of the united states, and the method was hijacked airplanes in a terror attack. > [@](#): > > So far the replies are just referring instead of reasoning and mostly ridiculing. Or isn’t anyone even interested? I don’t think there was anything funny about what happened in 2001. I don’t think anyone is interested. The subject has been done to death and \*conclusively \*settled- it’s the reason we call people like you and the guys behind Loose Change derogatory names like “conspiracy nutter” and consider it not in poor taste to mock and ridicule, rather than debate. It’s like you coming in here and being confused when people ridicule you for your support of the flat earth society. The issue is done. Terrorists hijacked four planes on September 11 and flew three into buildings and one into the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/52 "2013-10-01T11:25:54Z")
Has anyone proved that the World Trade Center did NOT contain a highly experimental new Plane Magnet that just happened to draw innocent airliners directly towards it? NO I DON’T THINK THEY HAVE! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/53 "2013-10-01T12:35:30Z")
And what about [this picture](http://media.avclub.com/images/435/435440/original/627.jpg?6478), taken at the scene? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/54 "2013-10-01T12:37:06Z")
Wow, 9/11 was an inside job? I’m going to have to research this myself! Anyone know of some good websites? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/55 "2013-10-01T13:30:39Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > And don’t even think of suggesting thermite, or nanothermite, or supernanothermite. But the ultrananothermite enhanced with unobtanium is still good, right? ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/56 "2013-10-01T13:37:55Z")
> [@onefour1](#): > > In your view, was it an inside job? Inasmuch as only a few people knew about it, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/57 "2013-10-01T18:22:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Read the links. > > You know who almost always disagrees with these claims? People who know anything about demolitions. Debris rained down all over the area and destroyed another building or two. That’s the exact opposite of what you want in a demolition. That’s my favorite. On the one hand, they demand to know how 7 could have fallen down, and on the other hand, they turn a blind eye to the fact that two huge fucking buildings basically fell on it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/58 "2013-10-01T18:28:08Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Inasmuch as only a few people knew about it, yes. And inasmuch as “inside job” has nothing to do with how many people are involved, no. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/59 "2013-10-01T19:44:21Z")
I have no idea why this thread survived past about two replies. Sigh. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s not neat like a controlled demolition, it caused substantial damage to the surrounding area. Not to give a single positive credit to the truthers, but the whole notion that (1) if the bad guys wanted to bring down the buildings with explosives then (2) they would have done it with a setup that would have taken CDI a year to plan to (3) bring the building down without collateral damage is just hilarious. If I’m going to blow up a building to foment chaos or jackbootery, it’s going to be messy and uncontrolled. > [@Gyrate](#): > > And what about [this picture](http://media.avclub.com/images/435/435440/original/627.jpg?6478), taken at the scene? That’s so 35 minutes ago. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984/60 "2013-10-01T19:58:06Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Not to give a single positive credit to the truthers, but the whole notion that (1) if the bad guys wanted to bring down the buildings with explosives then (2) they would have done it with a setup that would have taken CDI a year to plan Or give truck bombs another shot, this time parked directly against a support. Theoretically, that would have worked and parking too far from the supports was what went wrong in '93. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-an-inside-job/669984.md?page=4)