# Was 9/11 ARRANGED by the Bush Admin? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2003, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284 "2003-12-11T05:23:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/21 "2003-12-11T06:20:12Z")
If you have a chance to read over that article, and others available at FPM by searching “Grover Norquist,” I think you’ll see that a right-winger turned to the dark side, but it wasn’t Rove. Of course, that’s because he was already there! MUHAHAHA! Seriously, this fundraising was something that sounded good on paper, I’d bet money. Now, the shitstorm erupts. If you study political fundraising. Well, it’s like making sausage. It’s so sleazy, I think I’m turning Communist on the whole public funding thing. Let me be perfectly clear, there is no credible evidence Karl Rove did _anything_ wrong whatsoever. So, of course, this will have legs for years. People will talk about his al Qaeda connections around campfires. ---
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/22 "2003-12-11T06:22:16Z")
> [@](#): > > No really, why is it standard to state that these persons of incredible power would not perpetrate atrocities upon their own people when we all know that they would actually be judged by their sympathetic peers. I think even the current Republican leadership would rather lose one election than be remembered forever as the Ultimate Traitor Party. Karl Rove is the smart, self-servingkind of evil, not cartoon supervillain evil. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/23 "2003-12-11T06:24:08Z")
Thanks for all the handwaving, Long Road, Ellis, Brutus and Saint Zero. If you have an argument any time soon, feel free to bring it forth. Wring and Snoopyfan, I wouldn’t have believed a presidential administration would authorize the burglary of Democratic Campaign headquarters or would trade arms for drugs in the Iran contra scandal, but you know, they happened anyway. Maybe we should be a little more ready to believe this shit, since it keeps HAPPENING. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/24 "2003-12-11T06:24:34Z")
Someone has never seen him clad in tights and a cape, methinks! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/25 "2003-12-11T06:24:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tuckerfan \* > \*\*Of course the fact that the terrorists were in the US training for 9/11 long before Bush ever got into office means that they were planning on rigging the whole election, so the Florida mess was really the conspiracists work to get Bush into office. :rolleyes: \*\* Damn terrorist bastards and their hanging chads!!! ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/26 "2003-12-11T06:27:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Evil Captor \* > \*\*Thanks for all the handwaving, Long Road, Ellis, Brutus and Saint Zero. If you have an argument any time soon, feel free to bring it forth. > > Wring and Snoopyfan, I wouldn’t have believed a presidential administration would authorize the burglary of Democratic Campaign headquarters or would trade arms for drugs in the Iran contra scandal, but you know, they happened anyway. Maybe we should be a little more ready to believe this shit, since it keeps HAPPENING. \*\* You ignorant bastard. People are not taking your blabbering, (and the blabberings of the paragon of good reporting, ‘Salon’), seriously, because there is no substance to what you are yammering on about. You seem to have a pretty vague grasp on reality. Keep on believing in whatever head-up-your-ass conspiracy you want to, but don’t expect any sane and rational person to take you seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/27 "2003-12-11T06:28:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tuckerfan \* > \*\*Of course the fact that the terrorists were in the US training for 9/11 long before Bush ever got into office means that they were planning on rigging the whole election, so the Florida mess was really the conspiracists work to get Bush into office. :rolleyes: \*\* C’mon, Tuckerfan, stop rolling your eyes and crank up the old brain box. Just because a group had plans to attack America prior to Bush’s being elected doesn’t mean they were working with the Bush admin. at that time. It’s like saying that just because a hammer existed prior to being used to strike a nail, that it must have been conspiring to strike that nail all along. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/28 "2003-12-11T06:30:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*You ignorant bastard. People are not taking your blabbering, (and the blabberings of the paragon of good reporting, ‘Salon’), seriously, because there is no substance to what you are yammering on about. > > You seem to have a pretty vague grasp on reality. Keep on believing in whatever head-up-your-ass conspiracy you want to, but don’t expect any sane and rational person to take you seriously. \*\* Now it’s profane handwaving. Still unconvincing, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/29 "2003-12-11T06:35:28Z")
I forgot Richard Nixon faked the moon landing. How in the hell could I forget that?!? I’d say the odds of this conspiracy being true are around the same as you having a Martian Spaceship docked in your ass as you wrote the OP. Any moment now the men in black are going to knock my door down and zap me with the 1920’s style “Mind Control” rays.(thanks ME) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/30 "2003-12-11T06:38:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sublight \* > **EC, I’ll give you Motive and Opportunity, but the Method part just isn’t credible. As evil as Rove may be, to say that arranging the deaths of thousands of innocent people is within his reach because he’s a really sleazy dealer beyond the bounds of credibility, well over into paranoid delusion.** We don’t KNOW how evil Rove may be. Now that Rove’s involved in a presidential administration, he may have decided that he has a responsibility and a right to work more, um, freely, than in the past. I mean, when you are in control of the White House you make decisions regularly that might lead to the death of Americans. It’s just a slide from there to allowing some Americans to sacrifice themselves ‘for the good of the nation.’ \*\*And as for 9/11 being hardly unprecedented in the annals of politics, well, maybe if you’re comparing it to Stalin’s engineered famine of Ukraine or Mao’s Great Leap Forward, sure. As low as my opinion is of Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld or George may be, not only do I not see them in the same ballpark, they’re not even circling the parking lot yet. \*\* [/QUOTE] Mao and Stalin killed millions. The WTC was a measly 3,000 or so. And Rove may have underestimated the severity of the attacks, figuring maybe a cuople of hundred dead. Remember, a plane once flew into the Empire State Building and it didn’t sustain any major structural damage (the building, that is. The plane was pretty messed up.) Creating conditions which lead to grief for some of your citizenry and then using that as pretext for political gain is a very old game. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/31 "2003-12-11T06:46:37Z")
Finally, the [perfect gift](http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html) for the **Evil Captor** in your life, and just in time for Christmas! (Unless GW eats your brain first, of course…) ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/32 "2003-12-11T06:47:07Z")
**Evil** - I lived through Nixon, Iran Contra etc. and no, I would **not** put conspiracy to act with terrorists arranging an attack on Americans on American soil anywhere in the same vicinity of breaking into a psychiatrists office to steal shit to use against a political opponent or making some deal w/groups waaaaaaay over there to get them arms to fight a fight we think we want them to win. no where even close. and it bugs the shit out of me when easily trashed conspiracy theories like this come out of hte woodwork, so that the usual suspects can A. Claim that such shit is the mainstream liberal thinking and B. get us all to ignore/not notice etc, the **very real** damage this administration has indeed done. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/33 "2003-12-11T06:47:45Z")
Is it really that hard to believe that, dare I say, al Qaeda pulled off 9/11? Maybe the videos of Bin Laden _weren’t_ faked. Maybe he really means what he says in those fatwahs. Maybe all those crazed people in the streets really mean the stuff they say. Given Bin Laden’s dozens of other attacks, and the first attack on the WTC by Islamic terrorists, I have no trouble with the non-conspiratorial theory with actual supporting evidence. French fiction novels aboout the Pentagon attacking itself notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/34 "2003-12-11T07:07:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Michael Ellis \* > > Martians abducted me and stuck a giant Number 2 pencil in my ass. Hmmmmm. Did they make you a writer, or are you an eraser? (Enquiring minds and all that.) **Captor** : You want to know what _I_ think? I think there are good places to discuss this subject. _This_ place is not one of them. Ehhhhhh, fuckit. I’ll just spare us all some agony and say _ **no** _. Besides, my Thought Shield is on battery backup and I’m all out of tinfoil and my wife hid the spray paint and I’m fresh out of whiskey and my bong’s in the dishwasher and this could be a long night. :rolleyes: **Brutus** : Why do you have to act like that? The way you get amped up, this subject must make you feel like you’re tea-bagging a Die-Hard. Maybe you’d better find a paper sack? **Beagle** : I’m still waiting for you to return to your former self and finally figure out something meaningful to say. ---
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/35 "2003-12-11T07:14:24Z")
I’m sure there is a lamer conspiracy theory than this, but mankind has not discovered it yet. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/36 "2003-12-11T07:19:05Z")
**Michael Ellis** : I omitted something at the end of the sentence addressed to you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![And\_that\_s\_the\_bottom\_line](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df788c/32.png) [@And\_that\_s\_the\_bottom\_line](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_that_s_the_bottom_line)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/37 "2003-12-11T11:23:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Evil Captor \* > \*\*C’mon, Tuckerfan, stop rolling your eyes and crank up the old brain box. Just because a group had plans to attack America prior to Bush’s being elected doesn’t mean they were working with the Bush admin. at that time. It’s like saying that just because a hammer existed prior to being used to strike a nail, that it must have been conspiring to strike that nail all along. \*\* So, did you miss the sarcasm in **Tuckerfan’s** post? I may be crazy, but I don’t think he was serious. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/38 "2003-12-11T11:52:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SnoopyFan \* > \*\*For people utterly convinced of the Bush administration’s stupidity, this is an awful lot of confidence you’re putting in them to be able to pull off something like 9/11. \*\* You are right. I don’t think the Bush admin could have pulled it off. Knew about it and sat by and let it happen? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/39 "2003-12-11T12:02:09Z")
I think the real appeal in conspiracy theories is that they’re a more comforting alternative to accepting that basic human stupidity and incompetence really has no bounds. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284/40 "2003-12-11T12:03:13Z")
I do think the OP is too far-out to be conceivable, but I have never ever received a satisfactory answer to the question of why the rest of the Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the US just after 9-11? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-9-11-arranged-by-the-bush-admin/218284.md?page=3)