I figured it for a whoosh. The only people I’ve ever heard that would rank Lincoln at or near the bottom (or even in the middle) are some true red-neck Southerners I know.
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There are some crazy paleoconservatives like DiLorenzo who think that way-he wrote a book critiquing Lincoln and also Hamilton.
Amazingly, I read parts of the book (The real Lincoln by DiLorenzo) today before checking the last posts.
Bananas indeed, particularly the implication that the South would become a peaceful place if the North had done nothing. Police states of the past did not just sit there, they turned to look for more space.
I think that would had been the case as constant threats of uprisings in the south would not be gone, the Confederate ruling class would had turned the confederacy into an even more militaristic South Africa IMO.
You are completely and utterly wrong on this. Most people on both sides of the aisle would NOT accept this. Sure, the anti abortion people are pushing for determination by state, for the same reason that they are pushing for criminalization of abortion with the “rape, incest, life of mother is in danger” exception. They do this because they know that they can’t criminalize abortion again completely…at first. Instead, they’re trying to get the nose of the camel into the tent.
And the pro choice people wouldn’t accept it either. We know very well what the agenda is, and we are NOT going to accept having one state where abortion is effectively illegal, but a neighboring state allows pretty much any abortion, any time. Some of us remember the bad old days.
Allowing some states to effectively outlaw abortions will not really reduce the number of abortions. Some women will travel to another state. Those who can’t afford the money or time to do so will try home remedies, or try to get an illegal abortion. It’s extremely easy to perform an abortion. The harder part is performing it safely. So any movement to criminalize abortions will only increase the risk to women’s health, and not really reduce the number of abortions.
So, everything bad is someone else’s fault?
I guess that’s one way to defend Bush; and probably the only way.
Ancient Sparta is a notable exception – but very exceptional indeed.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html Glass /Steagal was attacked by bankers from its start. It was not the Gramm bill shoved through in the middle of the night at the end of Clinton presidency ,but it was a process of whittling it away. The Modernization Act was just the final straw . The quotes in this article makes it clear, they knew what they were doing. They were consolidating their power .
The miracle I’m hoping for is if the SCOTUS not only reverses Roe V. Wade but criminalizes abortion throughout the nation-not sure if it’s likely though so I’ll have to settle for what I’ve said above. Plus assuming abortion in a state if approximitely third of the women don’t have abortions but would have had it if it was legal, and two-thirds have it illegally (and that would be an amazing rate) than you’ve not had one-third of the abortions. And the death rate in abortions should not be dramatically spiked-a few percentage points perhaps.
No-if Bush supported something and that policy failed due to the opposition it’s not Bush’s fault it failed.
Of course it will spike. Lack of proper facilities, lack of trained doctors are guaranteed killers. And there will be deaths from the side effects, like hospitals refusing to give pregnant women medical care for fear of being accused of abortions if she miscarries; our anti-abortion “Mexico City Policy” killed quite a few women that way in American funded Third World hospitals. They had to sacrifice women’s lives in order to keep the American funding that would save others.
But then, it’s not like women are people, after all.
Except in American even illegal clinics would probably be better than those In Mexico.
I wish you’d can that sort of rubbish.
http://www.counterpunch.org/schulte01202006.html Curtis you have no right to decide for women whether or not they should have babies. It is none of your business. Long ago when abortion was illegal, it did not stop. There were back alley abortions and women going through hell to keep from having a kid they felt they could not raise. People with money went abroad to countries that it was legal. Poor people had to scrape together enough money to get an illegal and dangerous abortion in unsanitary conditions by a person who was not likely a doctor.
To say, “I don’t believe in abortion, therefore you should not have one.” , is so presumptuous and arrogant.
If you think abortion is murder it’s logical to want it to be illegal.
That was the classic Bush style: “The buck stops nowhere.” Iraq intelligence was bad? ‘It’s the CIA’s fault, and other people fell for it, too.’ Major city gets flooded, there’s practically no help for days, and thousands of people are jammed into a football stadium? ‘Blame Ray Nagin. And blame Michael Brown, not the guy who appointed him.’ Nobody paid attention to terrorism for eight months? 'Nobody could have foreseen that the guy who was determined to strike inside the U.S. would strike inside the U.S. It’s Jamie Gorelick’s fault. ’
It’s not enough that they fucked up almost everything under the sun. They had their beliefs and I expected them to act on them. But the endless excuses! These people believed in a very strong chief executive, and yet whenever he tried to do something and it went wrong, it was the fault of someone less powerful. :rolleyes:
There are two things very obvious here.
You didn’t read the article in the link.
You are absolutely ignorant about México.
Yeah, right. :rolleyes: Do you think the Mexicans live in caves or something? Nor does it have anything special to do with Mexico besides the name, anyway.
Treating women as less than human is what you want to do. If my pointing that out offends you, too bad.
No; if “abortion is murder”, all that means is that you’ve created a category of murder that should be allowed. Killing a tiny blob of flesh remains killing a blob of flesh whether you label it murder or not.
Besides, if “saving babies” was their motivation, then they’d also be behind pre-natal care, caring for unwanted and poor children and so forth. But they aren’t, because they don’t care in the slightest about saving the lives of anyone. The anti-abortion movement opposes abortion as a method of brutalizing and oppressing women; that’s all.
“Failed” in what way; failed to be enacted, or was enacted and failed to achieve its goals?
Not that that distinction seems to matter to you. You give Bush credit for the surge for making it happen. You blame the Democrats for the war because they didn’t do enough to stop Bush from making it happen.
“No one could have known”.
How many times did we hear some version of that? It’s “the job of the boss” to know. If he doesn’t know, it’s his job to find out. It’s his job to then act on it. Instead we had some “faith based” or “gut instinct shoot from the hip” crap, and when it hits the fan, either it was “oops I didn’t know” or “it’s someone else’s fault” (damn commie libruls and freedom haters).
I call bullshit. When the does “the boss” step up and accept responsibility? When does he say “my plan or lack of a plan was the cause and I need to correct that”? No, all we got was “I didn’t know or someone else did it”. How about maybe a “I didn’t cause it but it IS my job to FIX it”?
Mix that with a bit of “it’s too soon to tell.”
They’ve been laying the groundwork for years. If Iraq goes to hell, it’s because the Iraqi people didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to build a better society. But if things turn out okay, then Bush’s faith in the Iraqi people, and his courageous decision to invade will be vindicated.
When it really counted, Bush had a clear choice between representing either the best of the American character, or the worst. He took the easy option to the eternal shame of the nation.
Actually, Cheney was the worst president we’ve ever had. Whatever else you might say about Bush, he was an awesome stand up comedian. Imagine staying in character as the village idiot for 8 years with no more than an occasional smirk as a wink to those in the know. Put 'em together for W.