Was Hitler Jewish?

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Nothing I will say will ever be ‘enough’, will it?

Let’s look at the definition of ‘Jew’ okay?
Jew
noun /jo͞o/ 
Jews, plural

A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham
Web definitions

a person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

This article focuses on the etymology of the word Jew.

The Jews (יְהוּדִים “Yehudim” IPA), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. …

(Jewed) The following is a list of ethnic slurs (ethnophaulisms) that are, or have been, used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or insulting manner in the …

To bargain, to attempt to gain an unfair price in a business deal; to defraud
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jew

An adherent of Judaism; A person who claims a cultural or ancestral connection to the Jewish people (see secular Jew); alternative capitalization of jew

(Jewing) Part of the wattle on the lower beak.
desmoore.tripod.com/id29.html

(Jews) followers of Judaism
www.siprep.org/faculty/phanley/200files/RS 200_Final_Glossar…

(58. Jews) (2006) Mel Gibson’s remake of Jaws blames the Jews for the shark attacks. The end. Critics found the movie to be highly offensive and the film was soon pulled from theaters after mediocre box office receipts.
mirror.uncyc.org/wiki/Worst_100_Remakes_of_All_Time

(JEWS) Spiritual Israelites or people of God (Rev. 2:9).
www.revelation-today.com/Glossary.htm

(Jews) (1) The name for the people Israel throughout the Rabbinic, Medieval, and Modern Periods. It evolved from the Greek term for someone who lives in Judea (see Judah), namely, Judean. …
uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/religionet/er/judaism/jglossry.htm

(Jews) Mr. “Tough on everybody” made a jew joke once. While showing is “good” side (in a gay pink shirt and baby blue vest) and his “bad” side (wearing a jersey and a cap twisted to the side like a retard. Not threatening at all. …
encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Carlos_Mencia

(Jews) Originally, a Jew was a member of the state of Judah during the period of the division of Israel into two nations: Judah and Israel. It became a common reference from the 8th century B.C. Today it is used of adherents of the Jewish religion.

(Jews) The people of Abraham. Jesus was a Jew.
www.mmiweb.org.uk/publications/glossary/glossaries/xtianglos.…

(Jews) Those who follow a religion called Judaism. Both Christianity and Islam developed from Judaism.
www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/voices/ref/gloss/glossary.html

(Jews) have, of course, contributed to the rise of modern civilization; but this civilization is neither completely nor predominantly their achievement.
www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-Austrian-Jews

To dream of being in company with a Jew, signifies untiring ambition and an irrepressible longing after wealth and high position, which will be realized to a very small extent. To have transactions with a Jew, you will prosper legally in important affairs. …
www.brilliantdreams.com/dream-dictionary/dream-dictionary-j.…

Originally one of God’s chosen people who followed the covenant given to Moses by God. In the Old Testament, the Jews are (1) citizens of Judah; (2) the postexilic people of Israel; or (3) the worshipers of Yahweh. …

A person whose mother was a Jew or who has converted to Judaism. According to the Reform movement, a person whose father is a Jew is also a Jew. …

A member of the tribe of Judah; an Israelite; a member of a nation existing in Palestine from the sixth century BCE to the first century CE; a person belonging to a continuation, through descent or conversion, of the ancient Jewish people; one whose religion is Judaism.
www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pub/rc/glossary-glossair-eng.asp

Beneficiary of Judaism; tribalist who is dishonest about his tribalism
swordofelysium.wordpress.com/glossary/

Means ‘Praiser’ – comes from 'Judah. Today means those from tribes of Judah, Levi, Benjamin and others who returned to Israel following Babylonian captivity.
www.lightofmashiach.org/glossary.html

A descendant of Abraham whose religion is Judaism.

So I think you can evidently see it is both a race and a religion.

What about non-practicing Jews, Atheist Jews and so on…?

Jews rarely go with non-Jews, Jews rarely consider the people who convert to be a “real” Jew, surely someone can convert and be religiously Jewish but their will not be an ethnic Jew of the Semitic race.

Jewish only diseases.

“DNA link proves that Jews are a race”.

This is not the same as the ‘DNA results’ accordingly of Hitler who allegedly carries E1b1b which is common all over Europe but silly journalists have said that because a subclade E1b1b1 which is more common over North Africans and Jews than Europeans he’s automatically Jewish and African ethnically, rubbish! In fact the samples were from napkins and it’s not exclusive so it’s not definitive, get it?

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For about fifteen seconds, I thought you finally had the difference between “race” and “ethnicity” down. Nope. Guess not.

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“Before Weber, race and ethnicity were often seen as two aspects of the same thing.”

Quit thinking Jews equals Judaism, it is both.

Stick to OP question - Hitler was not Jewish nor do the couple of years ago DNA results confirm he was Jewish and African, that is a media stirring propaganda journalist article.

E1b1b accordingly found is found all over Europe… it is 9% in Austria, Hitler’s family were Austrian Germans and as far as we know there is no evidence any of his ancestors were Jewish - it is a mere urban legend myth unconfirmed rumour that is persistent still years and years after his death.

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Jew does equal Judaism.

It just doesn’t equal ‘observant’.

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Not necessarily. If Jewish women reproduce at the same rate as humans on average, then matrilineal identification would lead to the Jews making up an approximately constant proportion of the human population. You’ll see slight random fluctuations, of course, but those can go up or down. If anything, 12 million is probably more than you’d expect from matrilineal identification.

As for the “Jewish as an ethnicity” question, I present a set of hypotheticals. First, suppose we have a fellow named Patrick O’Brian. His first language is Irish Gaelic. His favorite food is colcannon, the way his grandmother used to make it. His favorite song is “The Minstrel Boy”, which he heard a lot growing up. Based on what I’ve told you, what would you say Patrick’s ethnicity is? Would you have any hesitation in saying that he’s Irish?

Now, suppose we have a different fellow. His name is David Cohen. His first language is Yiddish. His favorite food is gefilte fish, the way his grandmother used to make it. His favorite song is “Hava Nagila”, which he heard a lot growing up. Based on what I’ve told you, what would you say David’s ethnicity is? And what if I then told you that he attends mass every Sunday? What ethnicity would you say he is, now?

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Hitler religiously was not a Jew, he was a self-devoted Catholic.

But let’s go by ancestry, there is no doubting Johann Georg was his grandfather, all the others are rumours and conspiracies.

The same as the DNA found and claims he is Jewish and African it is not conclusive and has not been scientifically verified.

E1b1b is common among all of Europe, one of the subclades which the journalists have printed as E1b1b1 is more common among Jews and Africans and have went 2 + 1 = 5

E1b1b is 9% found in Austria so it is still common… it is only going by their results from a napkin and a grand nephew (nephews are not direct descendants) so it’s nothing but a hoax article.

“In 2010, the British paper The Daily Telegraph reported that a study had been conducted in which saliva samples were collected from 39 of Hitler’s known relatives to test their DNA origins and found, though inconclusively, that Hitler may have Jewish origins. The paper reported: “A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in [the Hitler] samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews … Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.” Again, this study, though scientific by nature, is inconclusive.”

So was it E1b1b or E1b1b1 their found?

According to the Daily Mail article it says “The magazine says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory conditions to obtain the results.”

Yet… the same day this was posted… the original article from Knack says “Knack is a weekly Belgian news-magazine published by the Roularta Media Group. The results of the study are inconclusive until further verification by a scientific source.”

Despite the claims, Hitler was not Jewish.

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Hitler was an Austrian atheist whose only humanity exists by defining Human as a sequence of DNA.

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Perhaps there’s some quantum state that allows one to be simultaneously Jewish and non-Jewish.

Maybe it also had something to do with Schrödinger fleeing Germany when he did. He wasn’t Jewish, yet ironically, Heisenberg certainly was and Himmler, begrudgingly, let him stick around.

Weird. One did what you’d expect the other to do.

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The “Many Worlds” or “M” theory has no appeal to me. That mankind is only aware of 5% of the “observable” Universe affords me more than enough doubt that the Universe requires any additional Universe’s simply to accomidate quantum mechanics, which still cannot be squared with general relativity. We humans have a long way to go before 11 dimensions need be used to explain uncertainty, let alone the arrow of time, and other such philosophical questions as to whether time even exists.

Suffice it to say that it’s a good thing Einstein left Germany, and Heisenburg, the genius that he was, in the end was a traitor to humanity, Jewish or not. Sadly there are many Jews today that somehow relate “liberal” as an excuse to lambaste Israel, especially American and European Jews. The vast majority of Jews in Israel understand the nature of what an existential threat is.

I agree with you. It is strange the way things work out, when the victim becomes the victimized and petrodollars buys elitist influence among the “enlightened” people ( and especially higher education institutions). Remember, Germany in 1930 was thought to be the most enlightened Nation in the Western World. Yes, truly … watching reality unfold is more surprising than any fictional story, no matter how artfully created.

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Yes, when the state is under threat, we must ignore international law to protect it.

Nope.

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The preponderance of evidence, meagre though it is, indicates that Johann Georg’s brother Johann Nepomuk, who took in Alois and raised him as one of his own (and later left him a legacy following the death of his wife and Alois’s adoption of the family name), was Adolf’s real grandfather. Johann Georg may have married Maria Anna Schicklgruber and claimed paternity just to spare his brother some domestic strife (and be made comfortable for the rest of his life).

In Mein Kampf, inaccurate as it is in some places, Adolf describes his grandfather as “a poor, small cottager.” This would apply more to Nepomuk than Georg, who was a journeyman miller.

As for mental or physical defects running in the family, the region of Austria in which they lived was well-known for incest and illegitimacy in the 19th century. Inbreeding could hardly have been uncommon.

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Also, Klara Hitler (Adolf’s mother) habitually called her husband “Uncle,” even though in the eyes of the law and the Church they were second cousins. (Alois and Klara had to get a special dispensation from the Catholic Church to marry.)

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Hitler was Austrian, but he was a Catholic.

Ian Kershaw states that Mein Kampf is full of contradictions and to just take Hitler’s word for this statement read here.

Yes first cousins once removed was not uncommon, but there still was incest in his family.

Johann Georg Hiedler was his grandfather accordingly and there is no reason to doubt.

They were not second cousins, they were first cousins once removed - there is a difference.

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I was being more or less facetious, but yeh, I try not to judge too hard the very complicated times of those caught in the middle of Hitler’s regime. Even Schrödinger, after criticizing Nazism, at one point redacted it, despite fleeing to Ireland, and later wrote an apology letter to Einstein. Difficult times for men who were among the most intelligent on earth. Still they were human and stuck with very difficult choices in a land that was their home, and ultimately turned on them.

You can argue it showed their true colors, but I don’t think our lives in such complicated, and torn times, are pure enough. Heisenberg achieved emeritus at the University of Munich was denied being the rightful successor of his former professor and peer Sommerfeld. All because of the Third Reich/SS which muddied the academic waters of Germany holding some of the greatest minds in physics of the day.

All those German and Austrian Nobel Laureates, and other great minds, were diminished because of this (most Jewish scientists had to eventually flee or were most likely killed, and most non-Jewish scientists didn’t agree with the anti-Semetic movement in German physics), and ironically, it was ultimately the Bomb that brought the Allied nations victory.

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There was an attempt to have the beloved operetta composer Emmerich Kálmán declared an “honorary Aryan”. (He instead ensured that his royalty payments would go to a Swiss firm and emigrated to America. As a celebrity, he was allowed in—unlike many others.)

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It’s a good example of how one bit of added information negates the rest.

If for example your Patrick O’Brien was Black, born of two (somewhat eccentric) Black parents from Africa neither of whom had never stepped foot in Ireland, is he still “Irish”? Most people would say not.

In the case of Jews, merely having a Jewish ancestry is not enough to make one “Jewish”-- even “ethnically”-- if you expressly convert to another religion.

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I found these extracts of yours particularly “convincing” …

:eek: :confused:

I never knew that Mel Gibson remade Jaws with Jews as the villians, that dreaming of Jews symbolizes ambition, or that “Jewing” was part of the wattle on a beak. A real education, that. :smiley:

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It was from a Google search.

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I wouldn’t make the argument about showing their true colors. Your point about living in those times in “their” country is well taken.
People are in many ways the victims of the times they live in, whenever those times were. You can be confident that most people in “their time” felt their lives were complex.

And certainly the Nazi’s perfected propaganda in the modern age.

However, when talking about the most brilliant minds of their day, those physicists, Jews and Gentiles alike that supported their Fatherland as many did in Germany could not have been ignorant to what even the average German knew was a systemic and focused plan of genocide against the Jews, Gypsies, many Priests, and those with disabilities, physical or mental and others.

Similarly those who were Jewish and in their minds, assimilated, as well or whose fathers fought in WW1, etc, could not be blind to Jewish history and had plenty of time from 1933 on to revisit historic events of the the past, whether religious or not, as these were the highly educated lot of scientists, etc.

At some point, when so many people had disappeared, these intelligent people had to either turn a blind eye and rationalize their work ahead of humanity or convince themselves that such a catastrophe was simply not possible in their current time of enlightenment and discovery. Neither position is acceptable when like you note, it’s not all that complex when the issues confronting you are so exaggerated and compelling.

I cannot forgive them their decisions based on being patriotic in the face of such misery.

The bomb did change the world, to be sure. However, the War in Europe was over and America for its part, while correct in using the Bomb to save perhaps over a million American lives, did far too little far too late as it often does (WW1 for instance). To me th lesson learned is one we are seeing again today: The oceans that separate us from Europe and the rest of the “Old World” are no longer a deterrent and to be isolationist has ALWAYS cost far more lives than biting the bullet to quell a self avowed enemy when the costs would be far less in blood and treasure.

Nation building in Afghanistan? What? These are strange times indeed when once again the elite, the intelligent prefer to be ostriches and society will no doubt pay the price. Of course hindsight is always 20-20 so to suggest that in 1979 the whole issue of Islamofascism could have been dealt with is moot, and the peanut farmer did what he did and the rest is history. But I digress. When good people fail to act, all people pay the price. This has always been true and 1938 or 2001 is no different, and here we are …again. I am optimistic that one day mankind will evolve, even while there is so much savagery today, just as then, and just as 2500 years ago. Sorry for the rant, but responsibility cannot be evaded when ignorance is gone.

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A rumour is not a fact, Hitler wasn’t part Jewish he was an ethnic German, Austrians are Germans just Austria and a few other southern German states got excluded from the German Empire in 1871 when Germany was unified into a nation-state.

Technically, if Hitler was born 73 years earlier his birth place was under Bavarian rule, he would have even been born a German citizen.

Braunau am Inn, Ried im Innkreis, Schärding, Salzburg, Tyrol, Vorarlberg, and a few others have went from Bavarian to Austrian rule.

Rupertigau and Berchtesgaden and a few others have went from Austrian to Bavarian rule.

This is how Mozart even by citizenship, was a German not an Austrian as his birthplace was part of Germany then not what we now call Austria and the Austrians back then were indeed German citizens.

If anyone dares question “Are Austrians Germans?” of course they are not German citizens (prior to 1866 they were and 1938 to 1945) but they are ethnic Germans and if you deny that you are a) an idiot b) neither are Bavarians.