# Was it a False Flag attack by a couple of IRS employes to lead to mainstream Tax Revolt **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 1, 2013, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850 "2013-06-01T10:16:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/261 "2013-06-07T04:08:26Z")
I look forward to a world where people of all non-beliefs can live together. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/262 "2013-06-07T05:11:44Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > I have never objected to any non-belief of the OP. You should read your own posts sometimes: > [@NTBW](#): > > So your inability to pose an intellectual and objective argument in opposition to the question I have originally posed on this forum caused you to declare my question “One more tired Conspiracy Theory” although you have never come across this question before. > > It truly does appear that original questions are not welcome here as I see most responses are directed personally against the one asking the question. ---
**Author:** ![Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d07c76/32.png) [@Age\_Quod\_Agis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Age_Quod_Agis)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/263 "2013-06-07T05:30:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I look forward to a world where people of all non-beliefs can live together. I don’t believe in non-belief. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/264 "2013-06-07T09:18:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You should read your own posts sometimes: That is not an objection to non-belief in response to a “could it be”’ question. You cited my response to a mischaracterization of my question as a conspiracy theory and not a reasoned and supportable response to my question. One poster, a Right Winger, responded that it was impossible for the improper actions at the IRS to have been instigated by a Tea Baggin’ anti-Obama, anti-government insider at the IRS. Other posters responded that my ‘could it be’ question is not impossible but instead is improbable. I accept improbable as a reasonable opinion in response to my OP. That is not my objection to disbelief, specifically because it is not technically or realistically disbelief. You are simply wrong about what you read and cited. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/265 "2013-06-07T10:36:27Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > That is not an objection to non-belief in response to a “could it be”’ question. You cited my response to a mischaracterization of my question as a conspiracy theory and not a reasoned and supportable response to my question. Your continued denial that you posted a CT does not make you very credible. (And my first two responses to your OP were reasoned and supportable before you hijacked your own thread with denials of your CT.) ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/266 "2013-06-07T11:23:18Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Your continued denial that you posted a CT does not make you very credible. > (And my first two responses to your OP were reasoned and supportable before you hijacked your own thread with denials of your CT.) Your constant responses have not been in response to my arguments for denial and my arguments for the weakness in yours. Your responses have been repeated unrelenting expressing your opinion that my intent was to start a CT. Your opinion is not a fact nor does it approach any basis in fact. I wrote what I wrote to ask people what they would think if “it turned out” that this huge anti-tax and anti-IRS flare up from the right turned out, “could have been” - has the possibility to have originated by right wing sympathetic staff at the IRS itself. One answer I could have received would be that this might destroy the TeaParty once and for all and the world would be better off. Another answer could be (because of Mark Levin’s on air boasts that his Landmark Legal Service was involved with many of these Tea Bagger Groups from the early days when mistakes were made) that all aspects should be investigated. There’s more… In the universe where I have lived if there is a question on the author’s intent - the tie goes to the author not an opinionated reader. If your concern was just another tired CT disrupting this ‘debate’ forum I have suggested that you could have asked first about intent and my intentions would have been known. But you chose to file a charge and then constantly refuse denial. That is what happened. I respectfully must tell you the record is here. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/267 "2013-06-07T11:45:34Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > In the universe where I have lived if there is a question on the author’s intent - the tie goes to the author not an opinionated reader. Yet, Mark Levin, Bill O’Reilly and “a congressman” don’t enjoy the benefits of your universe. Interesting. So, that “W” in your user name, I think I figured out what it stands for: “Weality”. Is that wight? You know, if you honestly don’t see that what you proposed in your OP is a CT, you’re wasting your and everyone else’s time. As has been pointed out, this is a left-leaning board, and if you can’t find even a semi-reasonable amount of support for your position here, well, you might want to rethink your theory. Of course, if your Just Asking Questions, well, that’s another matter entirely. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/268 "2013-06-07T12:30:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yet, Mark Levin, Bill O’Reilly and “a congressman” don’t enjoy the benefits of your universe. Interesting. > > So, that “W” in your user name, I think I figured out what it stands for: “Weality”. Is that wight? You know, if you honestly don’t see that what you proposed in your OP is a CT, you’re wasting your and everyone else’s time. As has been pointed out, this is a left-leaning board, and if you can’t find even a semi-reasonable amount of support for your position here, well, you might want to rethink your theory. > > Of course, if your Just Asking Questions, well, that’s another matter entirely. > > :rolleyes: Bill O and Levin of course enjoy that same benefit in that universe. What makes you think otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/269 "2013-06-07T14:39:56Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > That is not an objection to non-belief in response to a “could it be”’ question. Yes, it is. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/270 "2013-06-07T14:45:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yes, it is. Explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/271 "2013-06-07T15:01:05Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Explain why. Because your OP was stupid and your mode of argumentation contemptible. Like **XT** pointed out, if you can’t get any traction with your silly conspiracies on a message board as partisan-left as this one, it ought to tell you something. I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night, and your aggressively stupid posts are hardly the first examples of the type I have ever seen. If you want to have a serious debate, feel free, but you will need to step up your game. If you expect us to fall for this kind of BS, well, “get used to disappointment”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/272 "2013-06-07T15:15:34Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Bill O and Levin of course enjoy that same benefit in that universe. > > What makes you think otherwise? Then why do you claim they lied? You do realize that for something to be a lie that the person has to _know_ that there statement to be false when they utter it. You do know that, right? RIGHT? Sadly, that does not appear to be the case. Now, I’m able, like almost every other poster to this thread, to write off your OP as pure CT, which it is, whether you realize it or not. But perhaps you can help me with two statements you made back on Page 2: (emphasis mine) > [@](#): > > And to think **I never listened to or watched Glenn Beck** and he has become my mentor. > [@](#): > > Now has anyone seen or heard the anti-IRS fever on the right and would even consider that the establishment Republicans could lose what little control they have of their **right wing nut jobs like Glenn Beck** and Mark Levin and see the possibilty of a large scale tax revolt starting to emerge and taking on a course of its own? You bristled mightily when you though a poster was claiming you lied, so you seem to value reputation, and I admire that. But how do you square that persona with calling someone a nut job when you’ve never watched or listened to his radio or TV shows? I find that inconsistency at bit…_odd_, shall we say. Add to that with the seeming ease you have in labeling other liars and we get “odd” X “what the fuck”? Then again, perhaps you can explain. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/273 "2013-06-07T21:41:20Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > If your concern was just another tired CT disrupting this ‘debate’ forum I have suggested that you could have asked first about intent and my intentions would have been known. CTs are permitted in this forum. I may find them silly, but no more so than arguments about the existence of (a) god or any number of other silly arguments. The fact that your OP was a CT is not arguable. Everyone reading this thread knows that it was. Your intentions are also known: you will defend to our dying breaths the belief that the Right wing is truly evil and that any accusations against anyone on the Left, (regardless how well supported by facts), must be fought with alternative scenarios, rife with speculation, that holds all Democrats as entirely free of blame and any person on the political Right as a probably corrupt, lying, miscreant. Your first example of that characteristic of your debating style was when you spent page after page arguing against posters who had openly opposed the invasion of Iraq on the grounds that they would not agree with you that no Democrat could be held in any way responsible for that debacle. You have pursued a similar theme in several threads, culminating in this thread, arguing against posters who support President Obama and even those who hold him blameless in the current IRS contretemps, simply because they are not willing to ignore every uncomfortable fact that has come out in the way that you need for such facts to be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/274 "2013-06-07T23:00:18Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Because your OP was stupid and your mode of argumentation contemptible. > > Like **XT** pointed out, if you can’t get any traction with your silly conspiracies on a message board as partisan-left as this one, it ought to tell you something. > > I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night, and your aggressively stupid posts are hardly the first examples of the type I have ever seen. If you want to have a serious debate, feel free, but you will need to step up your game. If you expect us to fall for this kind of BS, well, “get used to disappointment”. > > Regards, > Shodan You reply is duly noted. There is no effort to debate or discuss anything. I am not dissappointed at all. I am quite thrilled to record and reflect upon the variety of anti-intellectual and quite visceral reactions to the simple question that I’ve asked. There are issues here but I am quite certain they are not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/275 "2013-06-07T23:11:07Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > You reply is duly noted. There is no effort to debate or discuss anything. I am not dissappointed at all. > > I am quite thrilled to record and reflect upon the variety of anti-intellectual and quite visceral reactions to the simple question that I’ve asked. > > There are issues here but I am quite certain they are not mine. There’s nothing to debate here - you threw out a wild theory about conspiracies with no evidence. People look at it and say “yup, crazy.” I’m not offering up detailed explanations about why there aren’t alien autopsies going on in the White House basement - I don’t have any kind of evidence that there aren’t, but I don’t really need any. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/276 "2013-06-08T00:12:40Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Explain why. If you can’t see it, no explanation is going to convince you. It’s more for other people reading anyway, not you. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/277 "2013-06-08T04:52:59Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Your intentions are also known: you will defend to our dying breaths the belief that the Right wing is truly evil and that any accusations against anyone on the Left, (regardless how well supported by facts), must be fought with alternative scenarios, rife with speculation, that holds all Democrats as entirely free of blame and any person on the political Right as a probably corrupt, lying, miscreant. > Your first example of that characteristic of your debating style was when you spent page after page arguing against posters who had openly opposed the invasion of Iraq on the grounds that they would not agree with you that no Democrat could be held in any way responsible for that debacle. I came to this forum by invite after which I soon noticed the following exchange between John Mace and Tony Sinclair last February. That which caught my eye was Tony’s comment that is quite rarely heard specifically on the left by folks opposed to the US invasion of Iraq. It was these three words “She was Correct”. This exchange from last February is relevant since you cite that Iraq/Inspections discussion as part of the case for your current opinion of what my ‘underlying’ intent that manifests itself into some ‘silly’ one-sided debating style. It is relevant to your comment this afternoon where you claim that I " hold all Democrats as entirely free of blame and any person on the political Right as a probably corrupt, lying, miscreant." That theory is debunked by the fact that If I thought Sen Clinton and Sen Kerry were “Correct” as Tony Sinclair thinks they were correct to vote yes in October 2002 when there were no UN inspectors in Iraq, then it means I believe Bush was correct to seek it, and Republicans were correct to vote for it also. Your theory is crumbling already. I will post the full contents from some posts back then as the only way to show how incorrect your assumptions have been with regard to my intent and my argument. First is the exact exchange that caught my attention. Tony had cited John’s morning post. > [@](#): > > “Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret ‘the way the president used the authority.’” Hillary Clinton, April 2004. " \<\> That was 1 year after the invasion, btw. -John Mace 02-19-2013 09:59 AM 050a0959 (Post 16022794) > > **She was correct.** > > The authorization bill did not simply say, “Let’s invade Iraq!” On the contrary, it authorized Bush to use military force only after he certified in writing that nothing short of war could keep America safe from Iraq. > > At the time of the vote, there had been no outside inspectors in Iraq for four years, and it was the responsible thing to do for Congress to assume the worst. The only information they had about Iraq was the estimates and guesses of our intelligence community, so they had no choice but to trust them. Although the NIE showed that there was more uncertainty about WMDs than Bush and Cheney portrayed, people responsible for the security of the US had to err on the side of caution. > > And the bill worked perfectly. It forced Saddam to allow the UN inspectors back in, and even to allow them complete access to previously forbidden areas, like the Presidential compounds. > > It only took a few weeks of inspections to prove that our intelligence was wrong, and that Chalabi’s defectors were liars. It only took a few months to prove that there were no large active WMD programs or stockpiles at all. And according to Blix, it would only have taken a few more months to have completely accounted for the WMDs that we knew Saddam had in the 1980s. > > So by early March 2003, the Democrats could take great satisfaction in the October 2002 vote. It had accomplished its goals, resulting in a sure knowledge, for the first time in decades, that Iraq was no threat to the US. -TonySinclair 02-19-2013 05:16 PM 050p0516 As Rachel Maddow’s documentary was showing, Tony had the exact same views on it as did I. I could care less of what politics Tony held, it was nice to see a viewpoint about inspections that has rarely been heard. It is all true by the way what Tony said. As this discussion about ‘inspections/vote to authorize war if necessary’ continued last February it led to my very clear statement of what I want and what this debate was about for me at least: “Bush needs to take responsibility for ignoring inspections.” But you cited that and started with the “we don’t know what you want theme”. In T&D debate style there seem to come a point where it gets into some kind of issue of malignant intent on the part of the opponent. “- you seem to feel the need to claim that Bush is the sole actor whose behavior is blameworthy. That is silly.” -T&D That is only silly if one dismisses my main point that somehow slipped your attention although you cited it. “Bush needs to take responsibility for ignoring inspections.” Bush is solely responsible for ignoring inspections But he still claims to this date that Saddam Hussein defied inspections and Bush had no other choice but to end them. It was Bush’s SOLE RESPONSIBILITY to decide that. He should be made to explain why he decided to end inspections when he stated he wanted to disarm Iraq peacefully if Iraq let inspectors back in. Those dots have not been connected and they cannot be. We all know SH let the inspectors back in. We know it. That is not a conspiracy theory gone wild. Those dots have not been connected and they cannot be. I want Bush to be held to account for kicking the inspectors out and you turned that into this: > [@](#): > > “They {Congress} also authorized an outcome for peace. The conditions for peace were met within four months of the vote. The vote was correct. Bush ignored what the vote achieved. That is not on Congress. Bush needs to take responsibility for ignoring inspections. You are giving him a pass.” -Ntfldbw 02-23-2013 07:57 PM 054p0757 > > I really do not understand what you think you are trying to prove, here. > No one gives G W Bush “a pass” by pointing out that a majority of congress critters foolishly gave him authorization to take actions that he then used, even if he abused some imaginary “spirit” of the law. > > Bush is still responsible for pushing his administration to manufacture reasons to invade. Bush is still responsible for deliberately ignoring his own Joint Chiefs of Staff in their estimates of what would be needed to occupy Iraq. Bush is still responsible for creating a climate in which his Neo-Con buddies were placed in positions where they could lie to the American people, defame honest people doing their jobs who did not provide the “right” answers, manipulate intelligence data, etc. > > Bush gets lots of legitimate blame for a lot of genuine sins. > > The problem, here, is that you seem to feel the need to claim that Bush is the sole actor whose behavior is blameworthy. That is silly. > Everyone who willingly went along with Bush on this ride, from senators who failed to read the intelligence reports they were given or the actual text of the bills on which they would vote, through the media that slavishly reported the party line while failing to actually investigate conflicting claims, down to the ordinary citizens who were so hyped up with chauvinistic fervor that they failed to examine information that contradicted the administration’s spiel. > > Bush is not made less culpable because he persuaded others to join him. > > “Your effort to make him singularly responsible for this tragedy makes no sense.” - tomndebb 02-24-2013 12:00 AM 055a0000 You wrote over my clear intent and desire that “Bush needs to take responsibility for ignoring inspections” and starting the invasion of Iraq instead of peacefully disarming Iraq as he pledged at the time of the vote. You changed it to ‘feel a need’ to blame Bush for ‘sole responsibility’ for everything. "The problem, here, is that you seem to feel the need to claim that Bush is the sole actor whose behavior is blameworthy. That is silly. " -T&D That is bull. I stated and you cited my statement that “Bush needs to take responsibility for ignoring inspections.” HRC and Kerry, the CIA, the Joint Chiefs, the neocons, the media, the members of the House and Senate, his Pappy, his Mommy, his preacher, his Candlestick Maker did not make the decision, and the sole decision to ignore inspections and start a war of choice all on his own. The Decider clearly boasted that it was his decision. All that you mentioned but for the Joint Chiefs on the operation of the war took place before the inspectors returned to Iraq in December 2002. By March 2003 the threat of the possibility of Iraq in possession of WMD was a few months away from being removed without war. Tony and I think HRC was correct to vote for war. That was correct not because of hyped intel and neocons run amok pushing for invasion. It was because there were no UN inspectors inside Iraq at the time of the vote. You may argue all you like against that vote and that reasoning but it is absurd to make it me being a partisan RW hating - silly Democrat hack as you have clearly done here. So what I see is a debate style that sometimes strays from facts and reasoning rather to focus on the ‘intent’ in order to find some “Beckian” behavior in an opponent. Your closing point on 02-24-2013 at 12:00 AM tells a lot. (a) "Bush is not made less culpable because he persuaded others to join him - (b) “Your effort to make him singularly responsible for this tragedy makes no sense.” -T&D With regard to (a) I have not argued that Bush is solely responsible because he persuaded others to join him or that Bush is less culpable had I made that argument. \*\*Bush is not responsible for my approval and support for any politician DEM or GOP who voted to authorize force against Iraq in October 2002 when there were no inspectors inside Iraq as required by international law. \*\* With regard to (b) there is no effort on my part that can make or change the FACT that Bush is solely responsible for the decision to force the inspectors out, put an end to peaceful diplomatic means, and start a war. And that is what I argued. Bush needs to take responsibility for ignoring inspections. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/278 "2013-06-08T10:51:49Z")
Your posts are out there for anyone to view. Dance all you want. Your behavior is as I described it. I am already taking heat from multiple posters for not warning you as a troll. I don’t think you are trolling, just monomaniacal. As long as you continue your behavior, you are going to fail to persuade anyone of your (lopsided) world view. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/279 "2013-06-08T12:55:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Your posts are out there for anyone to view. > Dance all you want. Your behavior is as I described it. > > I am already taking heat from multiple posters for not warning you as a troll. I don’t think you are trolling, just monomaniacal. As long as you continue your behavior, you are going to fail to persuade anyone of your (lopsided) world view. Does that mean you have no counter to this rebuttal from my preceding post: > [@](#): > > This exchange from last February is relevant since you cite that Iraq/Inspections discussion as part of the case for your current opinion of what my ‘underlying’ intent that manifests itself into some ‘silly’ one-sided debating style. > > It is relevant to your comment this afternoon where you claim that I " hold all Democrats as entirely free of blame and any person on the political Right as a probably corrupt, lying, miscreant." > > That theory is debunked by the fact that If I thought Sen Clinton and Sen Kerry were “Correct” as Tony Sinclair thinks they were correct to vote yes in October 2002 when there were no UN inspectors in Iraq, then it means I believe Bush was correct to seek it, and Republicans were correct to vote for it also. > > Your theory is crumbling already. I mean what I’ve written does refute what you have charged me with. I forgot to mention that I supported Bush Sr on the Gulf War I, and I thought he was a pretty good Republican President. Perhaps the only good one since IKE. I also supported His wayward son on the Military commitment to Afghanistan. I didn’t support his decision to abandon the Afghan people for Iraq But I do not have a debate style keyed upon ‘never blaming Dems’ and maniacally dissing Republicans. I was very perturbed at what Clinton did with Monica. He put the county’s security at risk when he put himself in a position to be blackmailed. I have been a great admirer of General Petraeus since 2007 when I think he was a leading proponent of getting us out of Iraq… when he brought Bush the reality - Liberals were trashing him… I parted ways with Libs on that and it was quite contentious. I was disappointed to see him involved in a scandal… Yes what he did was worthy of scandal… Just like Clinton, Edwards and Wiener. So since you have not responded other than now I am now regarded as monomaniacal in your opinion. Can I assume that you cannot argue the point of yesterday about me being one-sided and therefore ‘everyone knows’ my intent. And could you at least give me a definition of what being a ‘troll’ is… Heaven forbid I slip up or something and that one gets added to my rap sheet. I’d appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/280 "2013-06-08T19:38:15Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Does that mean you have no counter to this rebuttal from my preceding post: It means nobody cares about what you have to say. I didn’t read past the first line or so of your post, why would anyone? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850.md?page=15)