# Was it a False Flag attack by a couple of IRS employes to lead to mainstream Tax Revolt **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 1, 2013, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850 "2013-06-01T10:16:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/21 "2013-06-01T19:40:07Z")
The planes didn’t bring down the towers. There were no towers. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/22 "2013-06-01T20:24:41Z")
Come on, you can kick that up a notch. A towering deception: it’s plain that there were no planes, because there never were any towers. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/23 "2013-06-02T00:42:17Z")
I like marshmallow’s version better. I’ll be finishing up my last drink, turn a bit unsteadily to my partner at the bar, and exude an ominous undertone of “what I’m about to say, should have never been said, and I’ll deny it later, so listen carefully now.” “You see…I know the planes didn’t bring down the towers…because _there were no towers_.” I stare at my partner a moment, waiting for this to sink in, and then disappear. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/24 "2013-06-02T00:46:14Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I certainly hope that NFBW has never ridiculed birthers or truthers, otherwise he owes them an apology. Some debate forum where one can’t ask an original question. If it is not a RW false flag or an Obama nefarious abuse of power to get re-elected, then it must be a couple of bureaucrats not clear about the policy and screwing up but actually doing no genuine harm. But the outcry here in defense Wingnuttia’s claims of Obama doing such evil is quite interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/25 "2013-06-02T00:56:09Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Some debate forum where one can’t ask an original question. > > If it is not a RW false flag or an Obama nefarious abuse of power to get re-elected, then it must be a couple of bureaucrats not clear about the policy and screwing up but actually doing no genuine harm. > > But the outcry here in defense Wingnuttia’s claims of Obama doing such evil is quite interesting. Would you mind translating, because I honestly don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me? Are you accusing me of being an apologists for Republicans, the IRS, or someone else? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/26 "2013-06-02T01:17:01Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Would you mind translating, because I honestly don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me? You said I owe birthers an apology if I have ridiculed them. I have ridiculed them and I owe them nothing for asking a fair question. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that a couple of low level IRS lifers decided even if it was on their own to stir up some political hysteria that would benefit the anti-government ideology of America’s right wing. So unless you believe that Obama’s mom placed that birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper after giving birth to Her son in Kenya, I’d say you owe me an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/27 "2013-06-02T01:41:30Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > You said I owe birthers an apology if I have ridiculed them. I have ridiculed them and I owe them nothing for asking a fair question. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that a couple of low level IRS lifers decided even if it was on their own to stir up some political hysteria that would benefit the anti-government ideology of America’s right wing. > > So unless you believe that Obama’s mom placed that birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper after giving birth to Her son in Kenya, I’d say you owe me an apology. Perhaps I’m not in the best shape to judge this because I’m watching the Bruins play the Penguins(go Bruins) and have had a few drinks, but to me this post is Poe’s law in action. Anyway, no, I don’t owe you an apology. Your moronic JAQing off about whether or not the IRS scandal is a result of Republican double agents is at least as stupid as the claims of the birthers. That said, you admit to ridiculing the birthers, but say nothing of your opinion of the truthers. Why is that? They’re both idiotic morons whose members and apologists are stupid. Do you have more sympathy for the birthers? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/28 "2013-06-02T02:11:21Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Some debate forum where one can’t ask an original question. Oh, you can Just Ask Questions here. But then you should be prepared for the reaction. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/29 "2013-06-02T02:20:19Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Some debate forum where one can’t ask an original question. Original questions are always encouraged. One more tired Conspiracy Theory, not so much. You posed a Left wing Conspiracy Theory that was pretty silly. You have now tried to defend it by launching a silly _tu quoque_ that nutters on the Right have already posed silly Conspiracy Theories. That is not really a defense; it is rather like a claim that “_we can be as stupid as they are_.” THAT should bring a lot of support from this crowd. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/30 "2013-06-02T02:21:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Speaking as one of the token right-wingers hereabouts > [list=A][li]You have no idea what you are talking about[/li][li]There is no possibility that this is a false-flag operation[/li][li]There isn’t going to be any large-scale withholding of taxes[/li][li]And you have no idea what you are talking about in the first place.[/list]Apart from that - well, there is no “apart from that”. Go ahead and make things up and accuse other people of them - it helps to tell who need not be taken seriously.[/li] > Regards, > Shodan So as a right winger what do you believe about a few IRS employees asking questions to those who applied for tax free status for engaging in politics? Is it an Obama scandal or isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/31 "2013-06-02T02:26:00Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Original questions are always encouraged. > > One more tired Conspiracy Theory, not so much. > > You posed a Left wing Conspiracy Theory that was pretty silly. You have now tried to defend it by launching a silly _tu quoque_ that nutters on the Right have already posed silly Conspiracy Theories. > That is not really a defense; it is rather like a claim that “_we can be as stupid as they are_.” THAT should bring a lot of support from this crowd. Where have you heard this ‘conspiracy theory’ , as you call my question, being presented on any major news outlets? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/32 "2013-06-02T02:36:29Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Your moronic JAQing off about whether or not the IRS scandal is a result of Republican double agents is at least as stupid as the claims of the birthers. How about some logic and reason presented behind your comparison of what I originally asked to what Birthers claim as some kind of functional reality? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/33 "2013-06-02T02:43:17Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > How about some logic and reason presented behind your comparison of what I originally asked to what Birthers claim as some kind of functional reality? Huh? Would you mind translating of rephrasing that because I honestly don’t understand what you just accused me of. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/34 "2013-06-02T02:58:43Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Where have you heard this ‘conspiracy theory’ , as you call my question, being presented on any major news outlets? Nowhere. There is no Left wing news outlet that compares to Fox, so there is no news organization dumb enough to play it. I would guess that you invented it, but that hardly prevents it from being silly. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/35 "2013-06-02T03:09:48Z")
Is it true that the IRS operation was a false flag started by… reverse vampires? Hey, I’m just asking questions, here. It’s not my fault I’m too real for you guys! ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/36 "2013-06-02T12:22:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Nowhere. There is no Left wing news outlet that compares to Fox, so there is no news organization dumb enough to play it. > > I would guess that you invented it, but that hardly prevents it from being silly. So your inability to pose an intellectual and objective argument in opposition to the question I have originally posed on this forum caused you to declare my question “One more tired Conspiracy Theory” although you have never come across this question before. It truly does appear that original questions are not welcome here as I see most responses are directed personally against the one asking the question. The right wing is quite happy when about a third of the adult population readily and without question accept right wing directed myths. The myth that Obama has unprecedentedly used the power of the IRS to alter the 2012 election and that is how Obama managed to steal the election and defeat Mitt Romney (plus lie about Benghazi of course) is an already established right wing myth with legs and arms and wings and teeth for that third of the country the right must cultivate. This myth is dangerous because it involves the IRS as a Federal Institution that all Americans have a close relationship to it - and most people can be easily roused to anger at the IRS even if the anger is over an insignificant incident. I think it is wise not silly to attempt to comprehend on a broad scale what the hell is going on here. I look forward to intelligent and applicable responses to this commentary and rebuttal to much that had been written thus far. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/37 "2013-06-02T12:49:05Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Right Wingers are worked into a frenzy being told that the iRS had terrorized them. Does anyone dispute that statement? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/38 "2013-06-02T13:38:48Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > So as a right winger what do you believe about a few IRS employees asking questions to those who applied for tax free status for engaging in politics? I believe you are making things up about it. I believe that the appropriate response to your misrepresentations and exaggerations is ridicule. IOW, what I believe about this latest scandal is nothing of what you say. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/39 "2013-06-02T13:38:57Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Does anyone dispute that statement? Anyone would be upset to be informed that the IRS singled them out for additional investigation because of their political beliefs. Most people on both sides of the aisle are upset. There’s a reason it’s against the law to do so. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850/40 "2013-06-02T13:42:49Z")
Most Americas, both on the left and the right, think the IRS was abusing its authority. Does anyone dispute that statement? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-it-a-false-flag-attack-by-a-couple-of-irs-employes-to-lead-to-mainstream-tax-revolt/659850.md?page=3)