# Was Jesus God himself? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 20, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359 "2003-11-20T20:06:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/41 "2003-11-22T15:04:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > \*\*You totally misunderstood my post. > > … > > There are never more than two Master Teachers on the planet at one time. Most of the time only One. \*\* Where is this written, who said it, and why? Or is this just another logical fallacy i’m supposed to swallow? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/42 "2003-11-23T00:53:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by alterego \* > \*\*Where is this written, who said it, and why? > > Or is this just another logical fallacy i’m supposed to swallow? \*\* I said it. You may “swallow” it or not, that’s your option. You could research the subject. Master Teachers are not always famous, some live in remote areas with little known cultures. They are known by their works. Master Teachers take nothing in the way of money, but give much in the way of love. Jesus was known mainly for His healing, while Sai Baba manifested objects like rings and anointing ash. Masters teach universal unconditional love and “walk their talk.” By their words and actions the rest of us learn the “Way”. Love P.S. There are thousands of wannabes, frauds, and “think they are’s.” If they can do seemingly impossible things, give of themselves without asking anything in return, and teach universal unconditional love they are probably Masters. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/43 "2003-11-23T01:30:24Z")
I see now-you made it up to sound important. 'Nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/44 "2003-11-23T04:22:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Czarcasm \* > \*\*I see now-you made it up to sound important. > > 'Nuff said. \*\* I said it, but I didn’t make it up. It comes from spiritual teachings that have been around forever. I am not important, it is the message of love that is important, even vital to spiritual growth. Love ---
**Author:** ![Turkmothy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85e7bf/32.png) [@Turkmothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turkmothy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/45 "2003-11-23T05:44:08Z")
It seams funny to me that so many people can point to the places where Jesus takes for himself the name " I AM " And yet no one has correctly corelated the importance. So here it is… When Moses went up the Holy mountain and was sent by God to free his people from the bondage in Egypt Moses asked for a name so that he could tell the Israelites who thier God is, and God answered, " I AM " And in the orriginal hebrew text, the only time that is used is in the person of the Diety. And to quote the word according to John chapter1 vs1 " In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made. ---
**Author:** ![Turkmothy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85e7bf/32.png) [@Turkmothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turkmothy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/46 "2003-11-23T06:21:01Z")
And consider this…Lucifer was thrown from Heaven because he thought to make himself equal to God. How was he going to do that? By dethrowning the Father? NO WAY! By defeating the Spirit? Not a chance! He merely thought he would take the place of the Son, but how? in open combat?Wrong again. When Jesus came down as an incarnate, he was going to pay the price for the sins of man by suffering death on the cross. And Lucifer thought that as a man he would not be able to reserect himself and that is when Lucifer thought he would just slip right into his place and thus attain equality with God. What Lucifer failed to understand is that Jesus is, was and forever will be God. Lucifers lack of understanding as to the character of Jesus as the fullness of the diety alowed him to make his great mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/47 "2003-11-23T10:28:04Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Turkmothy_ > **It seams funny to me that so many people can point to the places where Jesus takes for himself the name " I AM " And yet no one has correctly corelated the importance.** Stop patting yourself on the back and scroll up in this thread. **Skammer** pointed out the “I AM” usage with Moses two days ago. ---
**Author:** ![5cents](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/46a35a/32.png) [@5cents](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5cents)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/48 "2003-11-23T15:33:14Z")
There is no doubt that the trinity concept, in the NT, is ambiguous at best. It obviously caused (and continues to cause) confusion among adherents. Perhaps this ambiguity helped in the spread of Christianity? Most early converts were polytheistic, so making the jump to monotheism is difficult. Being able to say “there is one god, but perhaps there are 3, depending on how you look at it” could add a level of comfort to new converts. This could also explain the early church’s fascination with saints. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/49 "2003-11-23T16:57:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lekatt \* > \*\*I said it. You may “swallow” it or not, that’s your option. You could research the subject. > > Jesus was known mainly for His healing, while Sai Baba manifested objects like rings and anointing ash. > Love > > \*\* Yeah I have read about Sai Baba, the dude with the fro. What does he have to do with whether or not Jesus is God? Also, you say these things are written, _where are they written?_ ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/50 "2003-11-24T23:08:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Walloon \* > John 14:10 “Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?” > > John 10:29 “That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all . . . I and the Father are one.” If the proof of this oneness is in John, then how do they interpret [John 17:21-22](http://scriptures.lds.org/john/17/21-22#21)? > [@](#): > > 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. > 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one ---
**Author:** ![Turkmothy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85e7bf/32.png) [@Turkmothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turkmothy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359/51 "2003-11-25T03:09:42Z")
The message of Jesus was not love ( although love is in the message ) the message of Juses was salvation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-jesus-god-himself/214359.md?page=2)