# Was Martin on Zimmerman's property when he was killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 23, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635 "2012-03-23T20:18:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/41 "2012-03-28T19:50:02Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > What led to the situation where Martin and Zimmerman were in close enough proximity so that Martin could punch Zimmerman? Doesn’t the eyewitness description cover that part? Who approached whom? If I were either one of them, and the other one approached me, I would feel threatened. Martin was on his cell phone with his girlfriend and mentioned that someone was following him and he felt nervous about it. According to Zimmerman he had been trying to follow Martin on foot and lost track of him. He was then returning to his truck when Martin accosted him. The girlfriend said she could hear Martin asking “why are you following me” and Zimmerman responding"What are you doing here?" The call then ended after some muffled sounds. Zimmerman claims he told Martin “I am not looking for trouble”(The wrong thing to say) and that Martin then said “Well you found it” then punched him in the nose, knocking him to the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Woodenspoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/bc79bd/32.png) [@Woodenspoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Woodenspoon)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/42 "2012-03-29T01:22:23Z")
Well turns out that picture was real on drudge. Anyways some actual digging on who zimmerman was just came out. > **[In Trayvon Martin case, a complex portrait of shooter emerges](https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-xpm-2012-mar-28-la-na-zimmerman-profile-20120329-story.html)** > > In Trayvon Martin case, a complex portrait of shooter emerges So tired of being lied to by travyons family ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/43 "2012-03-29T01:39:00Z")
> [@Woodenspoon](#): > > Well turns out that picture was real on drudge. You’re going to have to be more specific. Which photo, and why are we supposed to care? [Meanwhile video footage of Zimmerman at the police station has been released.](http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OpYfWQOSp) There doesn’t appear to be blood on his head or his face. I can believe he was punched in the face and was able to wash some blood off his nose, but it doesn’t look like he bled much from a broken nose and it doesn’t look like his head was repeatedly slammed into concrete. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/44 "2012-03-29T01:43:27Z")
> [@Woodenspoon](#): > > Well turns out that picture was real on drudge. > > Anyways some actual digging on who zimmerman was just came out. > [In Trayvon Martin case, a complex portrait of shooter emerges](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-zimmerman-profile-20120329,0,3452783.story) > > So tired of being lied to by travyons family So wait? which is it, [being 8.9% of the population](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39200536/ns/health-addictions/t/illegal-drug-use-higher-nearly-decade-report-finds/#.T3O8wzuMxyc) or [a fan of a particular type of music](http://www.audiblehype.com/blogs/business/2008/aug/04/the-no-bullshit-guide-to-hip-hop-demographics-part-one/) that makes you the eligible to be chased down in the dark and shot? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/45 "2012-03-29T01:45:54Z")
Maybe it’s the having a tattoo of your mom’s name part, if it turns out that’s true. That’s scary shit. Only thugs and monsters demonstrate affection for their mothers. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/46 "2012-03-29T02:04:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Maybe it’s the having a tattoo of your mom’s name part, if it turns out that’s true. That’s scary shit. Only thugs and monsters demonstrate affection for their mothers. Also, no white teenagers have tattoos. ---
**Author:** ![Anih44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Anih44](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anih44)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/47 "2012-03-29T02:34:25Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Yea, I think that was the part that triggered the reaction. Apologies. > But of course I realize that a person can be both black and suspiscious. I only said “stopped when he saw a black guy” to suggest that Zimmerman has trouble distinguishing the two. (Based on his conversation to the 911 operator and his previous calls to the police). > I don’t think that a person wearing a hoodie in the rain is suspiscious at all. Walking slowly? C’mon, is that really what mattered to him? Doesn’t seem like it. > > Yes, please. The link is a 34 minute release, beginning with Zimmerman’s call to the non-emergency line at the Sanford PD. The rest of the tape consists of several, but not all, of the 911 calls to Seminole County. Zimmerman’s call lasts exactly 4 minutes and 5 seconds in its entirety, and it is at the very start of the tape, so you. If you have not heard it previously, there will be things you have not heard. You will also hear the most-played clips by the MSM in their proper order, which changes much of what is being presented. Here is the first link: [http://rolandmartinreports.com/blog/2012/03/listen-trayvon-martin-911-tapes](http://rolandmartinreports.com/blog/2012/03/listen-trayvon-martin-911-tapes) (I cannot listen to it on my ipad… I had to borrow a normal computer to listen) The first 4 minutes and 5 seconds constitutes the ONLY call Zimmerman made that evening. It also includes his real home address, (Spike Lee’s tweeted bad information) ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/48 "2012-03-30T00:41:23Z")
> [@Woodenspoon](#): > > Well turns out that picture was real on drudge. > > Anyways some actual digging on who zimmerman was just came out. > [In Trayvon Martin case, a complex portrait of shooter emerges](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-zimmerman-profile-20120329,0,3452783.story) > > So tired of being lied to by travyons family What?? What did his family lie about? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/49 "2012-03-30T00:42:26Z")
> [@Woodenspoon](#): > > [http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer](http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer) > i just want to know if those are more accurate in showing what the kid looked like now. > > It seems the media keeps using pictures of him from many years ago. A large tatooed guy with a grill …is kind of suspicious in a gated community.. Do you really think Zimmerman say his grill and tatoos? Comon! ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/50 "2012-03-30T00:43:41Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Also, no white teenagers have tattoos. and Apparently Zimmerman has X ray vision. Who knew ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/51 "2012-03-30T01:20:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Maybe it’s the having a tattoo of your mom’s name part, if it turns out that’s true. That’s scary shit. Only thugs and monsters demonstrate affection for their mothers. Don’t forget sailors and bikers — although I understand that those usually say just “MOM”. I suppose it lowers the possibility of awkwardness if they ever change mothers. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/52 "2012-03-30T14:21:05Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > and Apparently Zimmerman has X ray vision. Who knew That’s why I always wear a lead hoodie. > [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Don’t forget sailors and bikers — although I understand that those usually say just “MOM”. Yes. The anchor is also mandatory. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635/53 "2012-03-30T16:26:54Z")
> [@zwede](#): > > I do not think it happened on Zimmerman’s property, based on his lawyer when interviewed on CNN stated the “stand your ground” law was not applicable as the law’s purpose is to defend your home. No, that’s the castle doctrine (which Florida has also adopted). Different law, though same result: no duty to retreat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-martin-on-zimmermans-property-when-he-was-killed/616635.md?page=2)