# Was Primordial man conscious? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247 "2014-08-10T17:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/421 "2014-08-17T17:13:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Somebody has got to step up and correct the vast amounts of misinformation you insist on spewing about. Ahhh Czarcasm, and of course you need no correction because you are perfect? Is anyone allowed to step up and correct you? Or are you right; right, and right all the time? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/422 "2014-08-17T17:14:20Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Of course I’m interested, just like I’m interested in the bloody bodies strewn about any train wreck. It’s human nature to be fascinated by catastrophes. I already knew you were interested; I already knew that I have you. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/423 "2014-08-17T17:14:47Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Ahhh Czarcasm, and of course you need no correction because you are perfect? Is anyone allowed to step up and correct you? Or are you right; right, and right all the time? Well I have personally witnessed him being correct on at least one occasion, which put’s him at a minimum a rung above you. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/424 "2014-08-17T17:15:59Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I already knew you were interested; I already knew that I have you. I admitted I’m interested. Have you never been to the circus? The absurd is entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/425 "2014-08-17T17:16:05Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Which came first, the chicken or the egg? > > Or were they both created _ex nihilo_? The plan to create them came first. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/426 "2014-08-17T17:17:25Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I admitted I’m interested. Have you never been to the circus? The absurd is entertaining. The reasons you give for being interested is entertaining as well. You are transparent, I see through you. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/427 "2014-08-17T17:19:46Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The reasons you give for being interested is entertaining as well. You are transparent, I see through you. How’s my colon? I’ve had a few bloody stools lately. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/428 "2014-08-17T17:34:34Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The story of a first man is not a myth, according to religion, science, logic and mathematics, plus reason, there had to be a first man, and a first woman. > > Unless you think machines mass produced us in groves. No. There were obvious first “people”. I’m saying the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible is a myth. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/429 "2014-08-17T17:35:50Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > How’s my colon? I’ve had a few bloody stools lately. If such responses are how you protect your belief, your defense may be bloodied as well. If I had the desire, I would go into the human digestive system as proof of God, but that’s another thread. I have tried to keep this on topic, but that has been difficult; but explaining theories always has been. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/430 "2014-08-17T17:38:47Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > No. There were obvious first “people”. I’m saying the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible is a myth. Well the story has at least the merit of being reasonable, because we can agree there had to be first people; so what is obvious is that you reject them as being Adam and Eve, the concept is NOT a myth! I believe they were the first humans with consciousness. And that is reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/431 "2014-08-17T17:43:19Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > If such responses are how you protect your belief, your defense may be bloodied as well. If I had the desire, I would go into the human digestive system as proof of God, but that’s another thread. > > I have tried to keep this on topic, but that has been difficult; > > but explaining theories always has been. Hey, you were the one who said you could see through me, I just asked for a little friendly advice. Geeze, sensitive enough? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/432 "2014-08-17T17:44:59Z")
Oh, BTW, what you have there is an opinion, not a theory. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/433 "2014-08-17T17:45:45Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Hey, you were the one who said you could see through me, I just asked for a little friendly advice. > Geeze, sensitive enough? :rolleyes: First you claim your interest is for entertainment, now you are asking for advice; geeze. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/434 "2014-08-17T17:47:27Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > First you claim your interest is for entertainment, now you are asking for advice; geeze. Well can you see my colon or not? It’s a simple question. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/435 "2014-08-17T17:51:50Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Well can you see my colon or not? It’s a simple question. Just from what I have seen, your views may have Diarrhea . ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/436 "2014-08-17T17:55:21Z")
Evasion. Pleased answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/437 "2014-08-17T18:06:46Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Evasion. > Pleased answer the question. That was my answer and my diagnosis. But I know that your future is pre set; you will be fine one day; we all will! ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/438 "2014-08-17T18:07:40Z")
Yes or no. Can you see my colon. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/439 "2014-08-17T18:11:41Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Well the story has at least the merit of being reasonable, because we can agree there had to be first people; so what is obvious is that you reject them as being Adam and Eve, the concept is NOT a myth! > > I believe they were the first humans with consciousness. And that is reasonable. It’s not reasonable that they were created ad nihlo in a garden in the Middle East 6000 years ago, especially when we know that there were behaviorally modern humans prior to that. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/440 "2014-08-17T18:18:54Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > It’s not reasonable that they were created ad nihlo in a garden in the Middle East 6000 years ago, especially when we know that there were behaviorally modern humans prior to that. I would say more closer to 30-40,00 years ago, and if we can know and pinpoint the area, a garden in the middle east, we can then pinpoint even further. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=23)