# Was Primordial man conscious? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247 "2014-08-10T17:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/461 "2014-08-17T19:20:41Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Please show me where I claimed that, or retract this please! :rolleyes: > [@Mickiel](#): > > Well in my view, God does have many tricks up his uncanny sleeve; I think they all are going to work and achieve what he wants to get done. I agree that Primordial man, early man, Homo whatever you want to label them, it does seem rather meaningless for God to have created humans before the creation of Adam; but he obviously did, so there must be a reason, of which I have few ideas and speculations. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/462 "2014-08-17T19:24:54Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes: For the second time, please show me anywhere I have stated that I know how God thinks; anywhere in these archives, or please retract your accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/463 "2014-08-17T19:29:27Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I would say more closer to 30-40,00 years ago, and if we can know and pinpoint the area, a garden in the middle east, we can then pinpoint even further. If you say that, then you are claiming the biblical account is false. Jesus lineage is clearly delineated in the bible, which is where the 6000 year figure comes from for Adam and Eve. If you say 30,000 to 40,000 years, which is still vastly too small, it categorically refutes the biblical claim. Unless you stick with the absurd 6000 year version, you have to admit the bible is wrong about this. Can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/464 "2014-08-17T19:32:20Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > If you say that, then you are claiming the biblical account is false. Jesus lineage is clearly delineated in the bible, which is where the 6000 year figure comes from for Adam and Eve. If you say 30,000 to 40,000 years, which is still vastly too small, it categorically refutes the biblical claim. Unless you stick with the absurd 6000 year version, you have to admit the bible is wrong about this. Can’t have it both ways. Oh no, the Christians put that 6,000 year mess out and they were wrong, not scripture. Show me ANYWHERE in the bible that supports this 6,000 year time span. This I got to see! Goodness, just Adams generations were 10,000 years! See where they made errors in their calculations, was that during Adams generations, people were living 900 years, 800 years, 600 years and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/465 "2014-08-17T19:40:34Z")
You can’t calculate my generations until after I have died, THEN my first born’s death, and THEN so on! ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/466 "2014-08-17T19:43:29Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Oh no, the Christians put that 6,000 year mess out and they were wrong, not scripture. Show me ANYWHERE in the bible that supports this 6,000 year time span. > > This I got to see! > > Goodness, just Adams generations were 10,000 years! > > See where they made errors in their calculations, was that during Adams generations, people were living 900 years, 800 years, 600 years and so on. If you take the bible literally, it’s just simple arithmetic to figure out when the world was born, not just Adam and Eve (and we all know that you take Adam plus six days, really no difference). > **[How does the Bible teach 6000 years](https://creation.com/6000-years)** > > The Bible gives clear historical markers to allow us to construct a chronology for the age of the earth. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/467 "2014-08-17T19:44:00Z")
We’re long past the “a wizard did it” stage. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/468 "2014-08-17T19:44:09Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > For the second time, please show me anywhere I have stated that I know how God thinks; anywhere in these archives, or please retract your accusation. :rolleyes::rolleyes: It was the second quote I made from you in the post, Not my problem if you are not paying attention to your declarations that you think that “God does have many tricks up his uncanny sleeve” and “so there must be a reason, of which I have few ideas and speculations.” ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/469 "2014-08-17T19:51:29Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You can’t calculate my generations until after I have died, THEN my first born’s death, and THEN so on! Wait a minute - are you suggesting that when you die, your kid’s ages are reset to zero??? ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/470 "2014-08-17T20:12:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes::rolleyes: > > It was the second quote I made from you in the post, Not my problem if you are not paying attention to your declarations that you think that “God does have many tricks up his uncanny sleeve” and “so there must be a reason, of which I have few ideas and speculations.” He clearly stated the following: “Well in my view” (which you cut out of the quote for some reason) “I have few ideas and speculations” None of that is claiming knowledge, it’s claiming an opinion. Please explain yourself **GIGO**. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/471 "2014-08-17T20:26:37Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Now, humans before Adam were obviously wiped out during the ice age, there had to be a creation after that, or a recreation. I’m still waiting for a clarification on this one, too. Please explain to us how it’s"obvious" that Homo sapiens became extinct during the Ice Age, and was re-created. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/472 "2014-08-17T20:28:53Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > He clearly stated the following: > “Well in my view” (which you cut out of the quote for some reason) > “I have few ideas and speculations” > None of that is claiming knowledge, it’s claiming an opinion. > Please explain yourself **GIGO**. So “in my view” does not mean that he is claiming about what he thinks god is doing or planning? Same goes for “a few ideas and speculations”. The point was that not all are, but that he should stop giving value to those few ideas. There is also the point that I quoted him in full before and he insisted on ignoring what he claimed early. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/473 "2014-08-17T20:40:09Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > If you take the bible literally, it’s just simple arithmetic to figure out when the world was born, not just Adam and Eve (and we all know that you take Adam plus six days, really no difference). > > [How does the Bible teach 6000 years](http://creation.mobi/6000-years) Your wrong. We don’t know how long it took God to create the universe, those " Creation Days" were not 24 hour periods, God does not live by hours, one day with him is " Like" a thousand earth years, we can know just by that the creation period lasted AT LEAST 7,000 years, and possibly thousands or millions of our years, God was not in a hurry. We just don’t know. Now, In Genesis 5:5 Adam lived 930 years, his son Seth lived 807 years, Seth son Enos lived 905 years, Enos son Cainan lived 910 years, Canians son Mahalaleel lived 895 years, His son Jared lived 962 years, his son Enoch lived 365 years, his son Methuselah lived 969 years, his son Lamech lived 777 years, and his son was Noah. And that ALONE is just the 5th chapter of Genesis on generations, before the flood and way before Abraham was even born, and it alone totals 7,219 years! The math is simple, and its right there in the bible! Just between Adam and Noah, we have surpassed 7,000 years! The 6,000 years from Christian calculation is utter nonsense! ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/474 "2014-08-17T20:41:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So “in my view” does not mean that he is claiming about what he thinks god is doing or planning? Same goes for “a few ideas and speculations”. The point was that not all are, but that he should stop giving value to those few ideas. > > There is also the point that I quoted him in full before and he insisted on ignoring what he claimed early. The point is you don’t know how to say" I was wrong!" ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/475 "2014-08-17T20:51:38Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Now, In Genesis 5:5 Adam lived 930 years, his son Seth lived 807 years, Seth son Enos lived 905 years, Enos son Cainan lived 910 years, Canians son Mahalaleel lived 895 years, His son Jared lived 962 years, his son Enoch lived 365 years, his son Methuselah lived 969 years, his son Lamech lived 777 years, and his son was Noah. And that ALONE is just the 5th chapter of Genesis on generations, before the flood and way before Abraham was even born, and it alone totals 7,219 years! The math is simple, and its right there in the bible! > > Just between Adam and Noah, we have surpassed 7,000 years! The 6,000 years from Christian calculation is utter nonsense! So you really are claiming that your kids’ ages are reset to zero when you die. There’s no other way that “simple math” adds up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/476 "2014-08-17T20:51:56Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The point is you don’t know how to say" I was wrong!" Fine then, you do not know then what god thinks. But we can expect to see that that will not stop you from continuing to make declarations that amount to that. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/477 "2014-08-17T20:52:32Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > I’m still waiting for a clarification on this one, too. Please explain to us how it’s"obvious" that Homo sapiens became extinct during the Ice Age, and was re-created. Explain to me then, how ANY human could live through the Ice Age? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/478 "2014-08-17T20:53:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Fine then, you do not know then what god thinks. > > But we can expect to see that that will not stop you from continuing to make declarations that amount to that. Can I also then expect more false accusations from you as well? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/479 "2014-08-17T20:56:20Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Now, In Genesis 5:5 Adam lived 930 years, his son Seth lived 807 years, Seth son Enos lived 905 years, Enos son Cainan lived 910 years, Canians son Mahalaleel lived 895 years, His son Jared lived 962 years, his son Enoch lived 365 years, his son Methuselah lived 969 years, his son Lamech lived 777 years, and his son was Noah. And that ALONE is just the 5th chapter of Genesis on generations, before the flood and way before Abraham was even born, and it alone totals 7,219 years! The math is simple, and its right there in the bible! > > Just between Adam and Noah, we have surpassed 7,000 years! The 6,000 years from Christian calculation is utter nonsense! Actually this is speculation based on a non historical document. Both the Christian calculation and yours. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/480 "2014-08-17T20:57:47Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Can I also then expect more false accusations from you as well? Again, lets see then you drop your “few ideas and speculations” of what you think he is planning. After all we do know now that indeed you do not know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=25)