# Was Primordial man conscious? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247 "2014-08-10T17:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/541 "2014-08-18T02:14:20Z")
Nàh. Religion requires a system of belief shared by multiple people. Mickiel is more theosophical than religious. Or, I suppose,we could say he has an ideopistology. It is certainly not a religion, science, or knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/542 "2014-08-18T02:23:31Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Nàh. Religion requires a system of belief shared by multiple people. Mickiel is more theosophical than religious. Or, I suppose,we could say he has an ideopistology. It is certainly not a religion, science, or knowledge. Well that’s close enough; thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/543 "2014-08-18T02:26:45Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > I’ll just say this – > > If you were doing science, then when someone pointed out inconsistencies in your theory, or contradictory evidence, you would consider the evidence, provide a reasoned rebuttal, or revisit your theory. > > If your response is to insist that you’re right despite the evidence, and complain that you’re being persecuted, you’re doing religion. Especially if you’re insisting on the historical accuracy of a book written 3,000 years ago by a group of pre-technologic goatherds. I’m a bit different than that, I really believe what I do; and it would require " Convincing" evidence to alter my views. The same as it would require to alter you’re views; why you think I am any different than you in that area; is beyond me. Peace ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/544 "2014-08-18T03:00:49Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Well that’s close enough; thank you. And I thank you for acknowledging that what you have is neither science nor knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/545 "2014-08-18T04:28:25Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > You can’t calculate my generations until after I have died, THEN my first born’s death, and THEN so on! WRONG. You don’t calculate the end date of your generation as the year you die; you calculate it as the year you stop reproducing (GENERating offspring, get it? That’s why they call it a GENERation). ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/546 "2014-08-18T12:06:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And I thank you for acknowledging that what you have is neither science nor knowledge. I acknowledged no such thing, its just something that you want to believe in your head. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/547 "2014-08-18T12:23:12Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > WRONG. > > You don’t calculate the end date of your generation as the year you die; you calculate it as the year you stop reproducing (GENERating offspring, get it? That’s why they call it a GENERation). Judging by the capitalization of the word wrong, you really want and desire me to be wrong so bad. I can sense that. During those biblical times generations were calculated by interpretations now in various ways; some use 40 years, others 100 years, and the bible varies from time to time and uses different methods; I use two methods; from the birth of a child to the birth of that child’s first child, and the death of the patriarch. Those are the two methods I use. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/548 "2014-08-18T12:33:47Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I acknowledged no such thing, its just something that you want to believe in your head. > [@tomndebb](#): > > Nàh. Religion requires a system of belief shared by multiple people. Mickiel is more theosophical than religious. Or, I suppose,we could say he has an ideopistology. **It is certainly not a religion, science, or knowledge.** (bolding mine) To which you replied: > [@](#): > > Well that’s close enough; thank you. If I believe it, it’s because you said it. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/549 "2014-08-18T12:45:57Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Nàh. Religion requires a system of belief shared by multiple people. Relig **ion** , yes. As in rules and observances of relig **ious** people. Relig_ious_ is just having a belief in gods. I guess you can be religious without having a religion. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/550 "2014-08-18T12:51:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > (bolding mine) To which you replied: > If I believe it, it’s because you said it. I said its close; but keep digging, keep trying, keep looking for that loophole of fault that you so sorely need. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/551 "2014-08-18T12:54:06Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Relig **ion** , yes. As in rules and observances of relig **ious** people. > Relig_ious_ is just having a belief in gods. > I guess you can be religious without having a religion. You said your done with thread; I responded to that by saying, Sure! Welcome back to thread. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/552 "2014-08-18T13:05:39Z")
I’m done with your nonsense, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/553 "2014-08-18T13:15:21Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > I’m done with your nonsense, yes. Welcome to thread, was primordial man conscious? Have you ever seen an earth of conscious people, live thousands of years and leave no record of civilized advancement? I haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/554 "2014-08-18T14:07:58Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I said its close; but keep digging, keep trying, keep looking for that loophole of fault that you so sorely need. Then what exactly did you mean by “It was close” when he said “It is certainly not a religion, science, or knowledge.”? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/555 "2014-08-18T14:15:36Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Welcome to thread, was primordial man conscious? Have you ever seen an earth of conscious people, live thousands of years and leave no record of civilized advancement? > > I haven’t. [Chauvet Cave](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvet_Cave) features art from 30-32,000 BCE. How do you square that with your notion of a circa 20,000 BCE Adam event? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/556 "2014-08-18T14:16:03Z")
“Primordial Man” is a religious/philosophical term, not a scientific term. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/557 "2014-08-18T14:19:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Primordial Man” is a religious/philosophical term, not a scientific term. To be fair, one might imagine a scientist\* from 150 years ago using such a term. \*Using the term loosely, of course, since what constituted a “scientist” 150 years ago is quite different from today. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/558 "2014-08-18T14:28:04Z")
Nobody here _needs_ to you be wrong. We’re just here to fight ignorance; not our fault that your “theory” is a target rich environment. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/559 "2014-08-18T14:47:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then what exactly did you mean by “It was close” when he said “It is certainly not a religion, science, or knowledge.”? he got the religion part right, and that’s closer. So are you going to ask me to define closer? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/560 "2014-08-18T14:51:34Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > Nobody here _needs_ to you be wrong. We’re just here to fight ignorance; not our fault that your “theory” is a target rich environment. Are you then suggesting that no one here is ignorant? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=29)