# Was Primordial man conscious? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247 "2014-08-10T17:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/141 "2014-08-13T04:36:06Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Okay, how about the very first man? The first man to walk this earth. Does anyone misunderstand that? Can we say that " The first man" is a clear statement; no tricks, no confusion; no other possible definitions; just the very first human. > > Will that pass this unusual scrutiny? No, because we’re talking science, and you keep trying to slip your religious concepts into the conversation. If you want to talk about “Adam” we can turn this into mythology thread if you like. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/142 "2014-08-13T04:39:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, because we’re talking science, and you keep trying to slip your religious concepts into the conversation. If you want to talk about “Adam” we can turn this into mythology thread if you like. I am not religious, and I am not slipping anything; what I discuss is 100 % purposeful , I hold no need to slip anything in. You just can’t control it; and you don’t like that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/143 "2014-08-13T04:50:43Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I am not religious, and I am not slipping anything; what I discuss is 100 % purposeful > , I hold no need to slip anything in. You just can’t control it; and you don’t like that. When you want to talk about the Bible, the “Spirit” and Adam, you’ve left the world of science and entered the world of religion. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/144 "2014-08-13T07:06:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > When you want to talk about the Bible, the “Spirit” and Adam, you’ve left the world of science and entered the world of religion. The Spirit is the science of God, and the bible his science book. The Spirit is a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths that were systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. Science in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/145 "2014-08-13T07:48:50Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The Spirit is the science of God, and the bible his science book. The Spirit is a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths that were systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. > > Science in a nutshell. No, just gibberish. The Bible is just a book of mythology, the “spirit” is just a religious term that you are using so vaguely as to make it meaningless, and the “science of God” is “there is no evidence that there’s a God”. And the Bible is a religious book and both God and spirit are religious terms. You are religious, and you are trying to push religious ideas, not scientific ones. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/146 "2014-08-13T08:24:29Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, just gibberish. The Bible is just a book of mythology, the “spirit” is just a religious term that you are using so vaguely as to make it meaningless, and the “science of God” is “there is no evidence that there’s a God”. > > And the Bible is a religious book and both God and spirit are religious terms. You are religious, and you are trying to push religious ideas, not scientific ones. I am pushing my ideas! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/147 "2014-08-13T08:28:34Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I am pushing my ideas! Not very well. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/148 "2014-08-13T08:36:39Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Straight Dope needs to provide a dictionary on site, I never seen so many people requesting the definitions of simple terms. > [@Smeghead](#): > > Hey, guys, I just picked a load of fresh blueberries, and could use some good recipes to use them up. Suggestions? I don’t have the ability to link to a recipe (being on my phone), but you might want to consider putting them into a Monte Cristo sandwich. Don’t forget to peel them first, and be careful of the seeds. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/149 "2014-08-13T08:45:39Z")
> [@DingoelGringo](#): > > Graham Hancock wrote a very interesting bool called Supernatural that addressed many of these things. Incoherent humanity ingested mushrooms and started to hallucinate and that is how consciousness started. Good read Every one should read it. [Graham Hancock?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Hancock) :dubious: > [@](#): > > {…} His first novel, Entangled: The Eater of Souls, the first in a fantasy series, was published in the UK in April 2010 and in the US in October 2010. The novel makes use of Hancock’s prior research interests and as he has noted, “What was there to lose, I asked myself, when my critics already described my factual books as fiction?” > > Although his books have sold more than five million copies worldwide and have been translated into twenty-seven languages, his methods and conclusions have found little support among academics, his work being labelled “pseudoarchaeology”. {…} CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/150 "2014-08-13T11:34:59Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > The Spirit is the science of God, and the bible his science book. The Spirit is a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths that were systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. > > Science in a nutshell. I think we’re done here. There’s nothing left to say. Last one out get the lights. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/151 "2014-08-13T13:50:26Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I think we’re done here. There’s nothing left to say. > > Last one out get the lights. I am not done, the topic interest me. There is more to consciousness than we know. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/152 "2014-08-13T14:00:43Z")
The post I quoted above is, quite possibly, the most idiotic, ludicrous, and just plain stupid assemblage of words crammed together without care for reason, logic, or simple common sense I have ever, ever seen. What is the point in continuing a discussion with someone who can produce something like that with a straight face? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/153 "2014-08-13T15:01:54Z")
Well, we _could_ continue to share recipes for fresh-picked blueberries. As long as everybody is clear on what is meant by the term “blueberries,” I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/154 "2014-08-13T15:06:59Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, we _could_ continue to share recipes for fresh-picked blueberries. > > As long as everybody is clear on what is meant by the term “blueberries,” I mean. Those things with laces you wear on your feet, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/155 "2014-08-13T15:23:35Z")
Self consciousness can only manifest itself in human beings; > **[CosmiconsCioUsness.com is for sale | HugeDomains](https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=cosmiconsciousness.com)** > > Stress free and easy shopping experience. Simple and speedy service. But in my humble opinion, it never manifested itself in ancient man, only after Adam. So a whole world of beaming examples of how consciousness did not grow like weeds in us is at our disposal; consciousness has an origin, and its origin is the same as ours. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/156 "2014-08-13T15:30:11Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > Self consciousness can only manifest itself in human beings; > > [http://cosmiconsciousness.com/](http://cosmiconsciousness.com/) > > But in my humble opinion, it never manifested itself in ancient man, only after Adam. So a whole world of beaming examples of how consciousness did not grow like weeds in us is at our disposal; consciousness has an origin, and its origin is the same as ours. That website uses the word “theory” as a scientific term a lot, but not _once_ in the entire website does it use it correctly. I reject it. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/157 "2014-08-13T15:42:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That website uses the word “theory” as a scientific term a lot, but not _once_ in the entire website does it use it correctly. I reject it. I wonder what your rejection will mean in the scope of all things? Will it be strong enough to close the website, or will it just further build on this thread? I am building a theory, and building it strong. ---
**Author:** ![Mickiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/0ea827/32.png) [@Mickiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/158 "2014-08-13T15:50:38Z")
Time and Consciousness really interest me, I wish I could have attended this conference and heard the speeches on that; [http://consciousness.arizona.edu/2014TSCPlenarySpeakers.htm](http://consciousness.arizona.edu/2014TSCPlenarySpeakers.htm) because all those millions of years early man lived, it never really developed; so time is not a grower or provider of consciousness. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/159 "2014-08-13T15:50:53Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I wonder what your rejection will mean in the scope of all things? Will it be strong enough to close the website, or will it just further build on this thread? > > I am building a theory, and building it strong. You’ve convinced a grand total of 0 people so far. I’d hate to see what one of your weaker theories looks like! But we await you submitting your “theory” to a peer reviewed journal and seeing the feedback you get. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247/160 "2014-08-13T15:51:14Z")
> [@Mickiel](#): > > I wonder what your rejection will mean in the scope of all things? Will it be strong enough to close the website, or will it just further build on this thread? > > I am building a theory, and building it strong. From [here:](http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm) > [@](#): > > A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it’s an accepted hypothesis. what is it you’re building, again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-primordial-man-conscious/695247.md?page=9)