# Was there an Armenian Genocide?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547>\
**Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\
**Created:** [August 21, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547 "2006-08-21T03:34:44Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Alex\_Dubinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@Alex\_Dubinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_Dubinsky)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/41 "2006-08-26T20:00:15Z")

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just trying to be fair

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**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/42 "2006-08-26T20:50:48Z")

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I wasn’t exactly happy with your posts but “It makes you look like an idiot” is only an indirect insult, unlike, say, “You are an idiot.”

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**Author:** ![Alex\_Dubinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@Alex\_Dubinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_Dubinsky)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/43 "2006-08-26T20:53:07Z")

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hey, hey. now you’re just giving me tips

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/44 "2006-08-27T04:51:18Z")

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[QUOTE=uralz]  
Is it our religoun, colour, personalities please tell me!  
[/QUOTE]  
Actually, it’s your food. On the other hand, you make a pretty good cup of coffee and your women are hot, though I really can’t tell Turkish women from Greek or Armenian women. Sorry. ☹

Early on in my time here I got shit from some posters for my short paragraphs. I believe **uralz** first post shows how unreadable long paragraphs can be in 8-point Verdana. It’s just harder to read long stretches of san-serif typefaces. Serifs are not merely decorative; they pull the eye along the line.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/45 "2006-08-27T05:08:22Z")

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Actually, I’ve always liked Turkey. It’s a democracy, which is rare in that neighbourhood. Nice stable economy. Longtime American ally. Interesting culture. Lively history. Cute women. Proof that Islam dosn’t drive a country insane.

But it’s a historical fact that the Turks did terrible things to the Armenians. I’m not claiming any moral superiority here; I’m an American and we certainly did terrible things to the Indians. I just think denial is not the way to go; Turkey will not be able to move on past the Armenian genocide until it admits that it happened and that it was wrong.

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**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/46 "2006-08-28T16:53:06Z")

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[QUOTE=bibliophage]  
Instead let’s just all agree to leave current domestic politics out of it, unless a directly pertinent connection to the Armenian issue can be shown. Debates about voting paterns, terrorism, and the Iraq war belong in the Great Debates forum.

bibliophage  
moderator CCC  
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Why do you hate Armenia?

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/47 "2006-08-28T17:24:22Z")

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I thought he hated Turkey.

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**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/48 "2006-08-28T18:44:05Z")

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Only the white meat.

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**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/49 "2006-08-28T19:02:42Z")

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The OP sounds a lot like the stuff posted on various Armernian Holocaust denial websites, including similar phraseology.

If over the years Turkey and its apologists had expended a small fraction of the effort that goes into these pathetic attempts at denial on constructive action - namely acknowledging wrongdoing and apologizing for the past - Turkey would probably have been admitted to the EU by now and gained the respect it seems so desperate to achieve by subterfuge.

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/50 "2006-08-28T20:00:34Z")

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Sadly true. Somebody in Turkey has to say, “Yeah, our nation screwed up and we’re sorry that it happened and we won’t let it happen again. We hope you can find it in your heart to forgive us. On the bright side, the guys who ordered and participated in it are all dead and we’re a couple governments past it so you really can’t keep blaming us for anything but continuing the coverup, but you know how hard it can be to admit really embarassing things your grandparents did.” But they won’t, no matter how easy and in their national interest it would be, so our grandchildren will STILL be saying, “Would you countries PLEASE grow the hell up?”

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**Author:** ![Papermache\_Prince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Papermache\_Prince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papermache_Prince)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/51 "2006-08-28T20:10:30Z")

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It’s funny. Weeks, even months, can pass without a thread about the Armenian Holocaust. Then a guest posts the usual “it didn’t happen” OP and the topic is on the first page for days at a time. I’m sure someone, somewhere is hearing about this holocaust for the first time, thanks to a post claiming it didn’t happen.

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**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/52 "2006-08-28T21:06:20Z")

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[QUOTE=Papermache Prince]  
It’s funny. Weeks, even months, can pass without a thread about the Armenian Holocaust. Then a guest posts the usual “it didn’t happen” OP and the topic is on the first page for days at a time. I’m sure someone, somewhere is hearing about this holocaust for the first time, thanks to a post claiming it didn’t happen.  
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Hehehe. I’m sure our new Armenian holocaust denying friends are thrilled by that thought. 😃

But seriously, would it be the SDMB without our monthly guest Creationist and quarterly guest Holocaust denier? 🙂

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**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/53 "2006-08-29T18:39:54Z")

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[QUOTE=OneCentStamp]  
Hehehe. I’m sure our new Armenian holocaust denying friends are thrilled by that thought. 😃

But seriously, would it be the SDMB without our monthly guest Creationist and quarterly guest Holocaust denier? 🙂  
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Don’t forget the Semi-Annual Deep Philosopher and the Annual White Supremacist.

Ahhh…good times, good times…

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**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/54 "2006-08-29T18:52:12Z")

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[QUOTE=Zakalwe]  
Don’t forget the Semi-Annual Deep Philosopher and the Annual White Supremacist.

Ahhh…good times, good times…  
[/QUOTE]

Don’t forget the Remote Viewing Hobbists!

More common than Ham radio operators, for the most part.

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**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/55 "2006-08-29T20:27:06Z")

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And usually younger. MUCH younger, since most hams are in their 90s.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/56 "2006-08-29T22:53:02Z")

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And a big shout out to all our Assassination Conspiracy Theorists.

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**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/57 "2006-08-30T06:29:46Z")

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[QUOTE=dropzone]  
And usually younger. MUCH younger, since most hams are in their 90s.  
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Whippersnappers don’t care about Hertzian waves like they used to. Why, I remember building a crystal set out of a meteor fragment and a hollowed-out mammoth bone. Smashed the damned thing when I found out the only thing I could get was Paul Harvey reruns.

/Now get off my lawn!

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/58 "2006-08-30T16:52:16Z")

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> [@Bosda di'Chi of Tricor](#):
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> > Originally Posted by **Zakalwe**  
> > Don’t forget the Semi-Annual Deep Philosopher and the Annual White Supremacist.
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> > Ahhh…good times, good times…
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> Don’t forget the Remote Viewing Hobbists!
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> More common than Ham radio operators, for the most part.

[QUOTE=dropzone]  
And usually younger. MUCH younger, since most hams are in their 90s.  
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Plus the Remote Viewing Hobbists just WON’T stick to anything resembling a schedule. If they’re going to be that unreliable, they dang well DESERVE to be forgotten.

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**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/59 "2006-08-30T20:01:32Z")

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Don’t forget the biennial foreskin forays.

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**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-an-armenian-genocide/369547/60 "2006-08-30T20:10:33Z")

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[QUOTE=Punoqllads]  
Don’t forget the biennial foreskin forays.  
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And the topics of smoking and tipping are like Greek fire: they pretty much erupt into flames as soon as you take the lid off. 😃

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