# Was there really a second bomb in Oklahoma? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 11, 2001, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087 "2001-05-11T13:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2001, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087/1 "2001-05-11T13:02:06Z")
I’d heard this theory from a few sources, but wrote them off as crackpots, retired Generals or not. Now, the FBI just happens to have finally found 3,100 pages of eye-witness testimony it had earlier “misplaced.” Anyone else know anything about the second bomb theory? Does it have any creedance? ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2001, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087/2 "2001-05-11T13:23:46Z")
I was just reading a thread somewhere else where some guy had testimony, and reports from the day of the bombing that claimed there were 3 (2?) other bombs. I was thinking about throwing it in here for a debunking, but ended up letting it slide. I’ll go fish around and see if I can find those links. If I find them, I just want to make it clear that I’m not throwing them out as evidence of some FBI conspiracy, I just wondered what the real explanation is. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2001, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087/3 "2001-05-11T13:42:35Z")
_Evidence_: The FBI just found a bunch of documents related to the OKC bombing. _Conclusion_: There was a second bomb. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2001, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087/4 "2001-05-11T15:11:11Z")
Ok, I found all these links on another forum. The information is hosted on a web page that is full of kooky stuff (like Hawai not being a real state). The whole reason I didn’t start a thread like this myself was that I sort of dismissed everything out of hand based on the source, but since someone else posted a thread, here it is: This is an affidavit claiming: [10]That the ATF knew how and why the building was bombed the morning of the explosion. [13] That there was another bomb found after the explosion. [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bible.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bible.jpg) This is a government doc talking about two other bombs: [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/dod.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/dod.jpg) FEMA document talking about 2 additional bombs: [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/fema1.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/fema1.jpg) [1157] Another doc(U.S. Forces Command Daily Log?) talking about additional bombs: [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/fort1.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/fort1.jpg) Some guy who saw bombs being removed: [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/harp.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/harp.jpg) And finally, radio logs from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol: [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log1.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log1.jpg) [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log2.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log2.jpg) [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log3.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log3.jpg) [![](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log4.jpg) ](https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/ock_log4.jpg) That’s it. Have at it. ---
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2001, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087/5 "2001-05-11T19:11:20Z")
Correction to the OP: [it’s 3,135 documents, not pages as previously reported. Is a thirty day stay enough time? I mean: that’s 100 documents a day. And these apparently include the actual eye-witnesses to the event. I did find a link which claims [url=“[http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/OKCind.htm](http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/OKCind.htm)”]the second bomb was merely a TOW missile which was kept in the foyer to the Marine Recruitment center]([http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/05/11/stay/index.html](http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2001/05/11/stay/index.html)"it turns out now[/url). _Huh?_ ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2001, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-there-really-a-second-bomb-in-oklahoma/65087/6 "2001-05-11T23:55:41Z")
🙂 After a little more searching around, here is the debunking for the links I posted up there: Quotes from the Grand Jury deliberation: (I’m assuming this is public domain) > [@](#): > > \*\*F. EXPLOSIVES REPORTED TO BE FOUND IN THE BUILDING \*\* > > We investigated claims that explosives were found in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Our investigation determined as follows: > > 1. A desk ornament that looked like a bundle of dynamite with a clock attached to it. The desk ornament belonged to an ATF agent, and was not an explosive device. 2. Several federal law enforcement agencies were housed in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Small arms and small arms ammunition were not an uncommon discovery throughout the search and rescue phase. 3. An inert T.O.W. missile was found and mistaken for a secondary explosive device. The inert T.O.W. missile belonged to the U.S. Customs Department. 4. Based on our review of video tapes and photographs, packages of small arms ammunition were mistaken for packs of C4 explosive by one Oklahoma City Police Department officer. > [@](#): > > \*\*J. THE MORE THAN ONE BOMB THEORY \*\* > > Based on our investigation we believe that there was a single bomb. > > 1. Testimony about sound waves and layers of the earth’s crust, and that ground waves travel faster than air waves rendered the two bomb theory inconclusive. The seismograph closest to the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building recorded one blast. The seismograph in Norman recorded two sound waves. This was explained due to the density of the earth’s crust. The first was the ground wave followed by the airwave five seconds later. The farther the waves go the more separation in time the waves get until they can no longer be measured. 2. The burns on the victims and the building from the blast depict a definite pattern of a singular explosion according to the expert testimony. The intensity and the direction of the burns and debris substantiate only one bomb. The greater distance from the detonation site less debris was found. The rebar in the building was bent in many directions because of falling debris. So I guess that about sums it up for me. It isn’t that far of a stretch (for me anyway) to accept that in the immediate aftermath of the bombing, there were panicked and incorrect bomb sightings. Somebody would need to have someone on the actual bomb squad claiming something different to make an impact in my thinking here. I did find this part of their conclusion interesting: > [@](#): > > There was unfortunately another group of witnesses who testified before us on issues that were not relevant or were found to be nothing more than a recitation of the already numerous and varied cover-up and conspiracy theories. > > During the course of this Grand Jury’s investigation, we have observed a tremendous amount of journalistic overlap in a number of magazines, books, talk radio shows and internet websites. The same misprinted information is repeated over and over again without any validating its veracity. Sadly, these organizations and individuals have glorified those convicted in federal court by vilifying the federal government and increasing the public’s distrust of its government by providing half-truths, uncorroborated, and oftentimes out-right false information. > > We would like to specifically address each of the falsehoods asserted by these individuals. Unfortunately, due to the current status of the law in the State of Oklahoma, we cannot specifically mention individual’s testimony or comment on the motivation or professionalism of certain other individuals.