# Wasn't there supposed to be a plan in the first 30 days to defeat ISIS? So where's the plan? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 27, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947 "2017-02-27T14:17:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/41 "2017-02-28T00:55:24Z")
Da Cheeto sayeth: > [@](#): > > I do know what to do and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or, beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly. And I’m not gonna tell you what it is tonight…. If I win, I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing. Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory…. All I can tell you is that it is a foolproof way of winning the war with ISIS and it will 100% — at a minimum they’ll come to the table and actually they’ll be defeated very quickly. > [@](#): > > There is a way of beating ISIS so easily, so quickly and so effectively and it would be so nice…. I know a way that would absolutely give us absolute victory … The problem is people will take the idea and run with it and forget where it came from…. I ran it past two or three people. So simple. It’s like the paper clip. You know, somebody came up with the idea of the paper clip and made a lot of money and everybody’s saying, ‘Boy, why didn’t I think of that, it’s so simple.’ This is so simple, so surgical, it would be an unbelievable thing. Now, I’ve been around saying this, you would think somebody from the administration would at least call me and say, ‘Hey, could you tell us what it is?’ It happens to be a great idea. But at the right time, I guess I’ll give it. > [@](#): > > The problem with politics is if I tell you right now, everyone else is going to say, “Wow, what a great idea.” You’re going to have 10 candidates go and use it, and they’re going to forget where it came from, which is me. But no, I have an absolute way of defeating ISIS. > [@](#): > > Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway got asked about whether he would reveal specifics of his plan Monday on MSNBC’s ‘Morning Joe’ beyond some of the tough generalities Trump has offered in interviews and on the campaign trail. > > ‘He may. And he certainly has a plan – I’ve heard it,’ Conway responded. > [@](#): > > We’re gonna beat ISIS very, very quickly folks. It’s gonna be fast. I have a great plan. It’s going to be great. They ask, ‘What is it?’ Well, I’d rather not say. I’d rather be unpredictable. > [@](#): > > “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” But it turns out his plan to defeat ISIS, which he clearly had formulated, and with no help from anyone else, and which was the best, believe me, was to turn to the generals, who know less about ISIS than he does, believe me, and say “Tell me how to defeat ISIS.” But wait. But wait! > [@](#): > > “I have a substantial chance of winning. If I win, I don’t want to broadcast to the enemy exactly what my plan is,” the Republican nominee said at an NBC-hosted commander-in-chief forum in New York. The gathering was the first time both Trump and his rival Hillary Clinton have shared the same stage in this election, albeit at separate times. > > In a military speech this week, Trump said he would ask generals to give him a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS. Trump said Wednesday he would consider using a combination of his own plan and proposals from the generals to fight the terror group. I guess 100% of the generals’ plan and 0% of his is still a combination of plans. He’s always one step ahead with his horseshit! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/42 "2017-02-28T01:03:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Eh. Outragers gotta be outraged. He asked for a plan, he’s getting one. With all the genuine things to be outrage about, this seems down at the bottom of the list. > > I despise Trump with the heat of 1,000 suns. If you want to rag on me for not despising him with the heat of 10,000 suns, go ahead. 1,000 suns is a good enough start 😃 I won’t rag on you. But, to steal from Captain Kirk, _“Why does God need a plan”_ Popular Vote Loser Trump has already said he is smarter than all the generals, all the admirals, all the intel guys. So why doesn’t he give them a plan? That is a serious question. If he is so smart and they are so dumb, _"why does God need a plan?_ I don’t think he will make or get a plan, he is to busy tweeting and trying to deflect all questions about his (and his Cabinet’s) ties to Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/43 "2017-02-28T01:04:48Z")
**BIBLICAL** Days, people. You know, like the 7 days it took to create the universe, suns, planets and evolve life. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/44 "2017-02-28T02:03:18Z")
Gotta side with **John** on this one. Trump is a sack of pig shit wrapped in a bag of horse shit and rolled in a pile of bullshit, but he promised a plan to “defeat” ISIS within the first 30 days, and it seems that, for better or worse, some kind of plan for ramping up America’s efforts against ISIS is being presented within about that timeframe. His claims on the campaign trail that he already had a secret strategy for defeating ISIS _was_ utter bullshit, and his criticisms of Obama continue to be complete hypocrisy, but in regard to the OP, John’s just pointing out that maybe this isn’t worth wasting outrage on. Move along, folks. Really ain’t nothing to see here, but tain wrecks, burning buildings and pig-fucking are just around the corner. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/45 "2017-02-28T02:39:31Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > _Of course_ it was all bullshit. But Trump did promise that he’d convene his generals first thing after being inaugurated, and have them come up with a plan in 30 days to defeat ISIS. > > You see, that’s what went wrong, according to the Trumpists: Obama just never bothered to ask the generals for a plan. But what would you expect out of a Kenyan Muslim, anyway? > > (Of course, in reality, Obama’s plan is working just fine, and ISIS, on the verge of giving up the notion of holding physical territory, is [planning for a virtual caliphate](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/isis-already-preparing-its-eventual-destruction).) > > But according to my calendar, this is Day 38 of the Trump Administration. So where’s the plan? Maybe the dog ate his homework. Trump and his moron followers will just take credit for the assault on ISIS that has been going on for the last few years. They’ll claim Trump ‘defeated ISIS in his first month in office’. I really don’t know how to deal with how divorced from reality his followers are. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/46 "2017-02-28T03:46:43Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > But it turns out his plan to defeat ISIS… Which would work 100% very quickly, has not been implemented. So by his own word, the only reason ISIS is not defeated is Trump. He is responsible for ISIS. Trump is currently supporting ISIS. Sounds like a fair summary to me. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/47 "2017-02-28T03:50:00Z")
Trump’s every statement regarding Islam and Muslims is, without a doubt, a new recruiting slogan for ISIS. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/48 "2017-02-28T03:57:35Z")
Isis was my first crush. She cannot be defeated. [![](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(DC_Comics)#/media/File:Isis2.jpg) ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(DC_Comics)#/media/File:Isis2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/49 "2017-02-28T04:03:58Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Which would work 100% very quickly, has not been implemented. So by his own word, the only reason ISIS is not defeated is Trump. He is responsible for ISIS. > > Trump is currently supporting ISIS. > > Sounds like a fair summary to me. Which also means, by not revealing his plan, he is personally responsible for thousands of deaths. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/50 "2017-02-28T05:10:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Which also means, by not revealing his plan, he is personally responsible for thousands of deaths. Harsh but fair. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/51 "2017-02-28T10:56:21Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > in regard to the OP, John’s just pointing out that maybe this isn’t worth wasting outrage on. No offense, but if there’s any resemblance between my OP and outrage…_really?_ Trump fans these days seem to conflate any criticism of their savior, any sarcastic comment, with leftist rage. Please let’s not have saner voices get sucked into that. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/52 "2017-02-28T13:25:05Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Nearly a half-century later, it still boggles me that people didn’t just laugh at that ‘secret plan to end the war’ nonsense… Back in the day, the hilarity of Nixon’s “plan” was hard to appreciate. What with the evening news & all… ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/53 "2017-02-28T15:29:13Z")
The plan is still Sooper Sekret the way it was last year and will be next year too. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/54 "2017-02-28T15:39:33Z")
Well, in Trumps defense, nobody ever thought that getting rid of ISIS would be this hard. I mean, you all knew that the only reason ISIS still existed was that Obama did not really try to do anything about them. Right? Right? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/55 "2017-02-28T15:51:40Z")
Obama is also to blame for the botched Yemen mission and the death of the Navy SEAL. Obama and those dumb generals Trump’s so much smarter than. > **[Donald Trump Blames SEAL's Death On Military: 'They Lost Ryan'](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ryan-owens-seal-raid_n_58b58852e4b0780bac2d58c6?l4u6jemi=)** > > The buck stops with 'them.' ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/56 "2017-02-28T16:03:13Z")
He’s just lulling them into a true sense of security. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/57 "2017-02-28T16:08:32Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Obama is also to blame for the botched Yemen mission and the death of the Navy SEAL. Obama and those dumb generals Trump’s so much smarter than. > > [Donald Trump Blames SEAL's Death On Military: 'They Lost Ryan' | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ryan-owens-seal-raid_us_58b58852e4b0780bac2d58c6?l4u6jemi&) > [@](#): > > “This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something they wanted to do,” he said. “They came to me, they explained what they wanted to do ― the generals ― who are very respected, my generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe. And they lost Ryan." , sayeth the Backstabber-In-Chief. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/58 "2017-03-01T13:11:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No offense, but if there’s any resemblance between my OP and outrage…_really?_ > > Trump fans these days seem to conflate any criticism of their savior, any sarcastic comment, with leftist rage. Please let’s not have saner voices get sucked into that. Yes, fair enough. Your OP couldn’t be considered outrage. You asked “where’s the promised plan?” A fair question. To which John said “looks like it’s here.” A fair response. I do think it’s fair to point out that this is still far from Trump’s grand campaign claims of knowing better than anyone how to defeat ISIS, but I also think it was fair of John to suggest that, as far as the plan-in-30-days promise goes, it’s more-or-less on track, and not really worth nit-picking. Especially when there is so much more genuinely horrible stuff from the Trump team to focus criticism on. This > [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Wow. Framed for “Suck-Up Chauvinist of the Year” award. Even for you, JM, this is deep brown nose territory. was not fair. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/59 "2017-03-01T16:47:43Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Yes, fair enough. > Your OP couldn’t be considered outrage. > > You asked “where’s the promised plan?” A fair question. > To which John said “looks like it’s here.” A fair response. > > I do think it’s fair to point out that this is still far from Trump’s grand campaign claims of knowing better than anyone how to defeat ISIS, but I also think it was fair of John to suggest that, as far as the plan-in-30-days promise goes, it’s more-or-less on track, and not really worth nit-picking. Especially when there is so much more genuinely horrible stuff from the Trump team to focus criticism on. Tru dat. But when I posted the OP, I really had no idea that a plan was imminent. I just figured it was another of those ‘dog ate my homework’ moments that this Administration has been having. And after **John Mace** combated my ignorance (he’s good at that), I did acknowledge that, saying: “ **John Mace** was right: we’re getting a plan. Ask, and I shall receive.” > [@](#): > > This > > was not fair. I completely agree. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947/60 "2017-03-01T16:50:51Z")
I watched the speech last night. What are the details of this “plan”, again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wasnt-there-supposed-to-be-a-plan-in-the-first-30-days-to-defeat-isis-so-wheres-the-plan/780947.md?page=4)