# Watch Ace0Spades Squirm **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2002, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204 "2002-08-09T21:40:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/41 "2002-08-12T15:25:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, ok. It seems like something of a left-handed compliment, but I’ll take it. Yeah, I guess it does. I didn’t mean it to sound like, “Even **Scylla** has more brains than **Ass0Spades** …” I meant it more to sound like, “I find **Scylla’s** heartless, big business-subsidizing, poor-hating, oligopoly politics more attractive than **Ass’** drooling idiocy…” 😃 And since I am actually left handed, you have me much offended. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/42 "2002-08-12T16:24:08Z")
> [@](#): > > This wasn’t a huge issue, but certainly enough to merit attention. No foul language was necessary, no creative insults. > That was Friday. Actually, this was Friday, too: > [@](#): > > This has got to be one of the single fucking stupidest things I have heard in recent memory. > [@](#): > > We have listened to you piss, jizz, and bray all over GD for months now. > [@](#): > > I forgive you for your remarks, Abe, because you must still be sore from our last Diplomacy game. I’ll use lube next time, I promise. Or anaesthesia. > [@](#): > > We’d all be better off if you stayed there, too. No, actually, we’d all be better off if you were a load your mama had choked on and spit out. I’m sorry you felt it neccessary to jump into the gutter. I’m sorry I can’t join you there; good luck on your anger management issues. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/43 "2002-08-12T16:26:05Z")
Just the first quote, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/44 "2002-08-12T16:32:35Z")
I just wish he’d lay off the big words. He reads like a GRE practice test. > [@](#): > > My own feeling here, is that this is mephitic claptrappery. > … > I’m gladdened that you and I are in agreement that it was criminal conduct by at least one administration, and that California was rooked, but I understand you want to apportion the majority of the blame to the Clinton Administration? > … > …feel free to post in the pit if you want to re-enact your drubbing at my hands. > … > Sua, your last post was complete and utter hand-waving – as well as being nigh illegible. (_all quotes from the Enron thread linked above_) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/45 "2002-08-12T17:01:04Z")
**Green Bean** , aw, shucks. _kicks rock_ Damn misspent youth playing scrabble! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/46 "2002-08-12T17:24:35Z")
Of all the people I’d think could **ever** “accuse” **Sua Sponte** of hand-waving, **Ace** … dude, you thinking you’ve beaten someone in GD != your actual victory. Based on what I know of both of y’all (and the time I’ve spent in GD, mainly as a lurker), unless you’re debating something that happened to you on the subway, **Ace** , I’m going with Sua even if he’s fucking asleep. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/47 "2002-08-12T18:04:24Z")
> [@](#): > > This thread speaks for itself. Only in a thread started by Ace0Spades do I actually agree with UncleBeer. Proving once and for all that politics, indeed, makes for strange bedfellows. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/48 "2002-08-12T18:11:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*unless you’re debating something that happened to you on the subway, **Ace** , I’m going with Sua even if he’s fucking asleep. \*\* Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Sua ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/49 "2002-08-12T18:30:32Z")
> [@](#): > > ## _by Maeglin_ quote: > > ## I must say, out of all the contrary, maverick opinions I have, to be pitted on something as pedestrian as stereotypes, and by someone as off-the-wall as Maeglin is a bit off-putting. > > You flatter yourself, Ace. You are the very model of the reflexive Democratic ass. We have listened to you piss, jizz, and bray all over GD for months now. > > Eeeeeeenroooooon…conspiiiiiracy…Buuuuuush…maaaaalaprops… > > Sound familiar? > > You don’t have a maverick bone in your body. Your brain is a sponge of banality and credulousness, with a fair amount of Mother Jones soap solution. Your specious understanding both of current affairs and of major issues in American capitalism is consistently pointed out by your betters, especially DeweyCheatemUndhow, Sua, and many others. > > You are GD’s left wing december, Ace, and you make me ashamed to be a liberal. Not so fast, **Maeglin.** You miss the context. **Ace’s** opinions are “contrary” and “maverick” for the SDMB. Ya see, on the Boards, it is mainstream to actually have thought about one’s opinions. **Ace** is quite the rebel. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/50 "2002-08-12T18:58:46Z")
I’m becoming increasingly confused. **Ace0Spades’** views seem to have little internal consistency. In the gay adoption thread ("[Should Gay Couples be allowed to adopt"](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=115503)) in GD, he expressed some of the most shockingly homophobic beliefs I’d ever seen. In other threads, he was almost gay-positive – he took another poster to task for homophobic language, was pretty good about gay marriage. In the gay adoption thread, he described himself, IIRC, as a “libertarian atheist.” But he’s a libertarian who likes “price caps” and corporate regulation? The big shock of opening this thread was seeing several posters had described him as _left-wing_ – I would never have used that label. His style is inconsistent, too. Some days, he’s more erudite and verbose than a university professor, other days he posts like a drunk fourteen-year-old. I almost wonder if her’s some sort of tag-team – a whole family or circle of friends posting under one name. Other days I suspect he’s a **taggert** – although whether he’s a lefty masquerading as a righty or vice versa is impossible to tell. Now I’m coming to the conclusion that he just likes the process of debate and rhetoric more that anything – _peu import_ the contents of the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/51 "2002-08-12T20:12:59Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by Maeglin > I forgive you for your remarks, Abe, because you must still be sore from our last Diplomacy game. I’ll use lube next time, I promise. Or anaesthesia. Looking at my post, I didn’t intend it to sound like I was agreeing with **Acey**. I think he is a goober. (Lord help me, I first typed ‘gobear’ there) I was intending it to sound more lighthearted than it ended up. I don’t think you are really a crank. It just kinda flowed from your ‘call me a crank’ statement above. I apologize if I gave you any offense. Are we thinking about the same Diplomacy game? The one I remember, you and I were in a beautiful relationship until **iampunha’s** coup. Any ‘lube’ action between us was some truly gooooood lovin’. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/52 "2002-08-12T20:18:04Z")
Ah, now we come to the meat of the matter, **Hamish**. It is a great irony on these boards that being both anti-PC nonsense and anti-Corporate nonsense is treated as inconsistent. Don’t blame me if I don’t fit your stereotype of what person is offended by Anti-Corporate nonsense or what person is offended by Politically Correct nonsense. Nonsense is nonsense. And I think I take great pains to delineate all my reasoning, and am still tagged as “unreasoning” by debate opponents who don’t bother to do the same. Why is this? I’ve never posted anything without laying down my rationale. This seems to mean I should take the conventional opinion, but it appears from my perspective that the conventional wisdom is frequently deliberately wrong, and it offends me. Sometimes, if posters are deliberately posting nonsensical claptrap, as in the adoption thread, I’ll jump in, in the same vein. I’m not afraid to treat posters as they’d treat the truth, with aspersions and sarcasm. Similarly, if I feel posters are being honest, and there is an honest disagreement, I’ll elevate the tone of my posts, and hopefully the discourse. In that Gay Adoption thread, I thought we made great progress from my entry point in which the tone of the debate was “Everyone knows it’s sexism that gays aren’t allowed to adopt, and there are tons of studies that show it.” Now we still await the Swedish Study, yes? I think if you examine where ad hominem attacks occur, I’ll respond in kind. But if I’m given an honest disagreement without emotional sandbagging (Polycarp’s posts are always well-measured, even in hot-tempered debates, for instance.) I’ll elevate the tone to match. Although one of the reasons I like the pit, is that we don’t have to paper over our emotional reactions, though sometimes we need to return to the intellectual component when the emotional content becomes a distraction. I hope this explains the stylistic range with which I can express myself. My opinions are not at all contradictory, and none of the opinions you’ve rightfully ascribed to me are contradictory in the least. Rather, you think that all people against gay adoption are bigots, and therefore are against all gay marriage. This is an unfair use of a stereotype. Similarly, you think that because I’m a Libertarian, I must be hands-off when it comes to corporate rigging. Again, this does not follow, and you are unfairly using your stereotype to assume my opinion. I think, in a highly ironic twist, the confusion comes from my views not being consistent with any given stereotype. This is not because I don’t post my rationale, which I do, but because my rationale is considered to clash with my ‘assumed’ rationale owing to whichever stereotype we happen to be trying to shoehorn me into. _Instead of assuming I’m a ‘crypto-fascist’ or a ‘racist-nazi,’ it would suffice to point out wherever my views are internally inconsistent with the reasons and cites I give, rather than inconsistent with the opinions that I am given._ Thoughtfully, Ace ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/53 "2002-08-12T20:48:46Z")
> [@](#): > > In other threads, he was almost gay-positive – he took another poster to task for homophobic language, was pretty good about gay marriage. [Actually, he’s dropped the “good about gay marriage” act](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127683). (He doesn’t join until page 2). > [@](#): > > Once again, we sacrifice as a society to give benefits to the married pool. Capiche? We can not allow everyone be married and get the same benefits that go to raising the next generation – it’s a zero-sum game. The more people in the pool, the less they all take from the people out of the pool. And the society wants kids, not infertile couples (of any stripe.) Or didn’t you notice kids were a tax deduction? Seems anti-gay marriage to me. My vote is for troll. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2002, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204/54 "2002-08-12T21:28:59Z")
Not to hijack this, but was the (possible) point raised that kids are an investment in one’s future and as such breaks should be given same as they are for charitable contributions? In addition to which they’re a helluva lot of work and not cheap at all? It seems to me more that **Ace** is trying to reason his way into that stance more than he actually believes his ideas to be viable/valid. Sort of a “I’m against this … now let me think of a good reason for it” sort of thing. Not that his position seems to hold much merit once you get past the … well, meat and potatoes seems to indicate it’s a solid argument. Maybe “whale shit”? It’s 95% liquid… Society, for all it wants kids, sure has a funny way of showing it sometimes… Oh. **Homebrew** , I dunno if you knew this, but publicly saying you think so-and-so is a troll, or outright saying “[poster], you’re a troll” or things of that nature are very much not encouraged by mods. Email one (moderator) if you think someone is being/behaving like a troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watch-ace0spades-squirm/123204.md?page=2)