# Watching the Alfred E Smith Dinner **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 21, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215 "2016-10-21T01:05:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/41 "2016-10-21T02:03:54Z")
What’s wrong with Giuliani’s left eye? Did he have a stroke? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/42 "2016-10-21T02:14:28Z")
I think he’s just shifty. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/43 "2016-10-21T02:40:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Interesting serious note to end on–sounds to me like a very good melding of her political views and Catholic beliefs. > > Edit: whoah, referencing a specific Jesuit belief practice. Lady does her fuckin _research_! Born with "Future Jesuit’ stamped on my forehead. Wanna make something of it? 😉 > [@kunilou](#): > > That would be [Maria Bartiromo](http://www.bartiromo.com/). Oh, dear God, Italian girls are why I didn’t make it as a Jesuit, ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/44 "2016-10-21T02:48:27Z")
Some quotes from [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/oct/20/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-debate-us-election-news-live) Trump on Clinton: “_Here she is tonight, in public, pretending not to hate Catholics_.” (While Clinton is seated next to a Cardinal) :eek::smack: Clinton: _“We’ll either have the first woman president, or the first president who’s started a Twitter war with Cher.”_ _“There is nothing like sharing a stage with **Donald Trump**. Donald wanted me drug-tested before last night’s debate - and look, I gotta tell you that Donald thought I used some sort of performance-enhancer. Now, actually, I did - it’s called preparation.” 😃_ ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/45 "2016-10-21T02:52:51Z")
Anyone want to bet that everything up to the Melania Trump joke (maybe the confession one as well) was written for him then after that he went off script and ranted his usually bile. It was such a stark contrast, jumping straight from a surprisingly self aware joke at his wife’s expense then straight into calling Clinton corrupt. Keep at it Donald, you’re only digging your own hole deeper and deeper! Nice work! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/46 "2016-10-21T02:54:10Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “Weren’t sure if she was going to be here, seeing how much she hates Catholics.” Really, he tried that crap? This is an event that is all about being civil while getting some appropriate-for-mixed-company zingers in. Meanness is not rewarded. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/47 "2016-10-21T03:04:06Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Holy shit- he started so promising, but he just can’t do it, can he? He’s just **going to look like a class 1 asshole**. “Going to?” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/48 "2016-10-21T03:05:48Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Really, he tried that crap? > > This is an event that is all about being civil while getting some appropriate-for-mixed-company zingers in. Meanness is not rewarded. I don’t think I got it quite right, but that was the gist. It was just grade-A asshole material. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/49 "2016-10-21T03:06:59Z")
He was bad, but not as bad as the coverage has made it sound. He went a little over the line, but not that much. And frankly, so did she. Go back and watch the 2008 and 2012 dinners. Both sides were infinitely more civil and self-deprecating than Clinton’s set. Ugh. 19 more days. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/50 "2016-10-21T03:20:10Z")
Where could I see this? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/51 "2016-10-21T03:24:48Z")
Post #3 has a link to the full thing on youtube. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/52 "2016-10-21T04:22:30Z")
Wow. I’m watching the replay. Trump crossed the line. I’ve always enjoyed these dinner speeches, but this was absurd. ---
**Author:** ![syncrolecyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@syncrolecyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/syncrolecyne)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/53 "2016-10-21T04:25:29Z")
Trump, unwisely, turned this into a “fourth debate.” Hillary then managed to trounce him even worse than in the first three! ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/54 "2016-10-21T04:39:30Z")
Well, damn. Hillary went into the gutter as well. What a brutal election that I hope is not repeated in the future. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/55 "2016-10-21T04:45:11Z")
Anybody? Tell me what Hillary said that compares equally with “pretending not to hate Catholics.” Sure, both sides do it, but acne is not smallpox. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/56 "2016-10-21T04:48:12Z")
Trump gave everybody exactly what they wanted. Most importantly he gave his people what they wanted. He went up a notch in my book. He now has one notch. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/57 "2016-10-21T04:56:27Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Where could I see this? [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ryocAv8Zw) ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/58 "2016-10-21T04:59:27Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Well, damn. Hillary went into the gutter as well. What a brutal election that I hope is not repeated in the future. I think it was lucky that Trump went first. I saw the two speeches out of order; hers live, then later Trump on replay. Her speech horrified me with its digs and nastiness, since I hadn’t seen Trump yet. If the entire audience, and the world, had seen her first, I think some of that impression would have stuck. Then Trump’s nastiness would have looked bad, but at least in part like a response she deserved. However, by going first Trump was the one to take the heat/come across as most negative. Having his words to compare to hers as she spoke made her look a little less nasty. Also, his wrap-up wasn’t very nice; hers was objectively pretty good, but seen as a contrast to his it was brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/59 "2016-10-21T05:08:55Z")
Best lines from Clinton: “There is nothing like sharing a stage with Donald Trump. Donald wanted me drug tested before last night’s debate. And look, I am so flattered that Donald thought I used some sort of performance enhancer. Now, actually I did. It’s called preparation.” “People look at the Statue of Liberty and they see a proud symbol of our history as a nation of immigrants. A beacon of hope for people around the world. Donald sees the Statue of Liberty and sees a 4. Maybe a 5 if she loses the torch and tablet and changes her hair.” “And Donald, after listening to your speech, I will also enjoy listening to Mike Pence deny that you ever gave it.” Savage 😃 I disagree that Clinton went into the gutter here, all of Clinton’s digs are based clearly on things that Trump has actually done, or that his surrogates have. They’re on tape, undeniable. Trump’s nastiness about hating catholics, or the media bias or the wikileaks stuff, is just either entirely made up, or blowing stuff way out of proportion. He’s a nasty ugly brute and he came across that way. Clinton was objectively much better, warmer and more playful in her delivery, not attacking with vitriol like he was. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215/60 "2016-10-21T05:21:49Z")
They both told the same exact joke, which I’m not so sure was a coincidence. Hillary got in front of the obvious “speaking in front of a lot of rich people and not getting paid” joke by doing it herself before Trump got a chance to. ETA: Oh wait, I watched it out of order, didn’t I? Whatever, they did the same joke, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watching-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/769215.md?page=4)