# Watchmen - meh...

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [February 26, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522 "2009-02-26T16:38:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 8\
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**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/121 "2009-02-28T23:12:49Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> It had a cold war setting but it wasn’t about the cold war. As I’ve said before, it’s a comic book about comic books. That’s why I don’t really recommend it for people who don’t read comic books. _Watchmen_ isn’t an introduction to the comic book genre; it’s a commentary on the genre aimed at people who’ve read hundreds of other comic books.

This also contributes to why I don’t ‘get’ it - the first issue came out the month before I was born. I never grew up with the genre Watchmen revitalized.

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**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\
**Post date:** [February 28, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/122 "2009-02-28T23:21:01Z")

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> [@magnusblitz](#):
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> Yeah, in fairness, there aren’t many _mainstream_ superheroes outside of NYC.

In Marvel. In DC, very few are in New York, though the two most famous of the fictional cities they use are considered to be analogues to New York - Metropolis and Gotham.

But heroes do tend to bunch up in the Not New Yorks, even in DC - Gotham’s overflowing with costumed vigilantes (At various times: Batman, Robin, Spoiler, Batwoman, Huntress, Azrael, Green Lantern (Alan Scott), Batgirl, the Outsiders, Orpheus, the Reaper, Nightwing (usually based out of nearby Bludhaven, but spends a lot of time in Gotham), Black Canary (both), Oracle, Savant… That’s just who I can think of, offhand.), and Metropolis has a pretty good crop, too, sometimes.

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**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/123 "2009-03-01T02:50:01Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> “None of you understand. I’m not locked up in here with you. You’re locked up in here with **me**.”

Ah, yes. Good one. Hrrm.

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**Author:** ![Asylum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Asylum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asylum)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/124 "2009-03-01T02:56:30Z")

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> [@Lochdale](#):
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> No, because this was supposed to be a serious examination of the genre. Such a serious examination should either show the logical results of trying to take the law into your own hands or should have just given the Watchmen a modicum of super powers.

No middle ground even if it hurts the story?

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/125 "2009-03-01T10:27:13Z")

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> [@Cisco](#):
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> Ooh, that’s good. I had forgotten about that line. But my favorite is still: “No. Not even in face of armageddon. Never compromise.”

Mine too.

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**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/126 "2009-03-01T18:03:54Z")

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> [@Asylum](#):
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> No middle ground even if it hurts the story?

“No. Not even in face of armageddon. Never compromise.”  
What? 😃

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/127 "2009-03-01T20:58:44Z")

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> [@Baldwin](#):
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> Interesting; it occurs to me now that “Tales of the Black Freighter” could easily be an EC horror comic.

That was exactly the point, and it’s another one of Moore’s deconstructions of superhero comics: in a world with actual superheroes running around, what sort of comics would we be reading? In Moore’s world, EC-style horror comics were never pushed out of the market by superhero books, because superheroes aren’t comic book characters. They’re real people. If they exist at all in comics, they’re a subset of “true crime” comics.

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**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-meh/487522/128 "2009-03-02T21:50:11Z")

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> [@Cisco](#):
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> Ooh, that’s good. I had forgotten about that line. But my favorite is still: “No. Not even in face of armageddon. Never compromise.”

Mine:

“You won’t have enough time to saw through that chain”

:eek:

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