# Watchmen - what happened to Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 11, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680 "2011-07-11T22:51:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/21 "2011-07-13T14:44:01Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > She was murdered by a villian who found out her real name from a press release after she was publically outed and kicked out of the Minutmen. The movie even has “Lesbian Whores” written on the wall (in blood?) of the room where she & her partner (the nurse) were killed. That’s a very odd thing for a jealous (& presumbably female) lover to write. Oh right, yeah. For some reason I though she was involved in some murderous tryst just remembering Rorschach’s condemnation of her sexuality. I wouldn’t ever have thought Rorschach had anything to do with their demises - bumping off fellow costumes really gets his goat in 1985, he’d have done a complete 180. Hooded Justice’s right wing views probably resonate a bit with him, I can imagine as the first masked adventurer he’d earn a bit of respect. Besides, he tolerates and even admires The Comedian, who’s far worse than either. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/22 "2011-07-13T15:09:05Z")
All true. Rorschach, for all of his many faults, is no mask-killer. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/23 "2011-07-13T15:48:07Z")
OK, I hadn’t realized the timing, or that the dysfunctional family in the opening credits was Rorschach’s. I still think it would have been in-character for him, though: He wouldn’t have regarded it as him killing her (making him a mask-killer), he would have regarded it as “She was a lesbian slut, therefore she had to die, and it’s her own fault she got killed”. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/24 "2011-07-13T16:23:15Z")
I think you’ve got Rorschach all wrong here. He was sick and he might’ve disapproved of Silhouette, but the people he kills in the book are a child murderer, a serial rapist, and a couple of people who try to kill him. (I forget what happens to the police officer.) He was very casual about torturing people, but he wasn’t the type to track a woman down and kill her just because he’d heard she was gay. He goes after criminals and punishes them according to his own moral views, but he doesn’t kill people for doing things he considers immoral. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/25 "2011-07-13T16:28:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think you’ve got Rorschach all wrong here. He was sick and he might’ve disapproved of Silhouette, but the people he kills in the book are a child murderer, a serial rapist, and a couple of people who try to kill him. (I forget what happens to the police officer.) One cop he shot with his grappling-hook gun was last referenced as being in hospital, in critical condition with a shattered sternum. Overall, I’d say Rorschach is known to have killed five people in the book, three of them in prison, and he wasn’t nearly old enough to have taken out Silhouette, nor would it be in character for him. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/26 "2011-07-13T20:11:00Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > … other changes to(like 4-drumsticked turkey) I never noticed that, all the times I read it. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/27 "2011-07-13T20:29:47Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > All true. Rorschach, for all of his many faults, is no mask-killer. Although he did attempt to kill Ozy. Basically, he punishes evil, including fallen superheroes. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/28 "2011-07-14T03:33:06Z")
You know, I don’t think he was actually trying to kill Ozy; I think he was trying to capture and subdue him. Not that he wouldn’t mind breaking a few hyperintelligent neo-Alexandrian bones while he was at it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/29 "2011-07-14T03:57:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’ve never read the original comic, but I sort of got the impression from the movie that Rorschach murdered her himself. It seems in line with his style of psychopathy to blame his victims rather than himself for his killings. The age issue aside, that doesn’t really read for me. Given his origins, I’d expect Rorschach to harbor a great deal of anger towards women, but it seems to me that his crime fighting is a way for him to redirect his anger towards “acceptable” targets. I’d be very surprised if Rorschach had ever so much raised a hand to a woman, let alone killed one. I think if he ever did, he would very quickly go from “unstable vigilante” to “utter, sadistic monster.” ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/30 "2011-07-14T04:22:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The age issue aside, that doesn’t really read for me. Given his origins, I’d expect Rorschach to harbor a great deal of anger towards women, but it seems to me that his crime fighting is a way for him to redirect his anger towards “acceptable” targets. I’d be very surprised if Rorschach had ever so much raised a hand to a woman, let alone killed one. I think if he ever did, he would very quickly go from “unstable vigilante” to “utter, sadistic monster.” Completely agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/31 "2011-07-14T14:12:10Z")
He was trying to stop Ozy from sending the monster to NY, wasn’t he? Ozy hadn’t yet revealed that he did it half an hour ago. > [@Miller](#): > > The age issue aside, that doesn’t really read for me. Given his origins, I’d expect Rorschach to harbor a great deal of anger towards women, but it seems to me that his crime fighting is a way for him to redirect his anger towards “acceptable” targets. I’d be very surprised if Rorschach had ever so much raised a hand to a woman, let alone killed one. I think if he ever did, he would very quickly go from “unstable vigilante” to “utter, sadistic monster.” Remember the scene where he heads back to his apartment to get his spare face & coat (which just happened to still have the bloodstains from the dogs)? He was acting very threatening to his landlady, since she lied about him trying to have sex with her when she was interviewed on TV, but then when he looked at her (multiracial?) kids, he just turned away. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/32 "2011-07-14T14:34:23Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > He was trying to stop Ozy from sending the monster to NY, wasn’t he? Ozy hadn’t yet revealed that he did it half an hour ago. > > Remember the scene where he heads back to his apartment to get his spare face & coat (which just happened to still have the bloodstains from the dogs)? He was acting very threatening to his landlady, since she lied about him trying to have sex with her when she was interviewed on TV, but then when he looked at her (multiracial?) kids, he just turned away. I took that to mean he felt she was pathetic, mixed with a trace of pity and disgust upon seeing himself in her kids. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/33 "2011-07-14T14:47:27Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > He was trying to stop Ozy from sending the monster to NY, wasn’t he? Ozy hadn’t yet revealed that he did it half an hour ago. I’m not sure he really even knew about that. He knew Ozy was up to something else, but seemed content to get the guy for having already murdered Blake and et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/34 "2011-07-14T14:53:22Z")
Does anyone else think Rorschach was ever trying to kill Ozymandias? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/35 "2011-07-14T14:56:29Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Does anyone else think Rorschach was ever trying to kill Ozymandias? Not really, no. After all, consider his exact line to Nite Owl right before they attempt to sneak up on Ozymandias. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/36 "2011-07-14T15:04:17Z")
There’s a companion book to the film that answers the OP questions. Can’t remember the answers myself, or I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/37 "2011-07-14T15:04:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m not sure he really even knew about that. He knew Ozy was up to something else, but seemed content to get the guy for having already murdered Blake and et cetera. Yeah, that’s kind of what I meant. He was trying to capture & restrain Ozy, because he thought Ozy hadn’t finished whatever he was up to. If in the course of the fight, Rorschach found himself in a position where his only move left was to kill Ozy or be defeated, I think he would have killed him. Now Laurie? She wanted Ozy dead. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/38 "2011-07-14T15:24:29Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Does anyone else think Rorschach was ever trying to kill Ozymandias? I don’t. The plan was to capture him and get him to talk the Rorschach way. They knew he was responsible for killing The Comedian (we know how seriously Rorschach took that) and for setting up the cancer allegations to drive Dr. Manhattan away, but they didn’t know much else or what he was trying to do. Rorschach certainly would have killed him in self-defense if he felt he had to, but it wasn’t the goal. Of course what Rorschach wanted didn’t matter so much - Ozy could have easily killed both of them if he’d felt like it. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/39 "2011-07-14T16:19:56Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Does anyone else think Rorschach was ever trying to kill Ozymandias? Nope. sorry, I meant _Hrmmmmm._ ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680/40 "2011-07-14T16:37:08Z")
> [@](#): > > I think if he ever did, he would very quickly go from “unstable vigilante” to “utter, sadistic monster.” Now, see, I thought he already had. The impression I got was that the incident with the dude feeding kids’ corpses to his dogs convinced him that _all_ humanity was scum, and that he’d been basically a serial killer ever since. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/watchmen-what-happened-to-hooded-justice-and-captain-metropolis/588680.md?page=3)