# Water is older than the Sun--agreeing with Genesis Chapter One **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482 "2018-05-02T23:34:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/181 "2018-05-06T20:42:28Z")
Bye-bye! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/182 "2018-05-06T20:45:28Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > I hope I have explained enough. I hope you do not close this up. I cannot go on and on with stubborn, impossible people who will just go on finding fault with whatever I say. I have a life to lead and do other good stuff for God. > I will leave you all with this. Admitting the Bible is really the word of God will send us back to the Middle Ages or even ancient times. You do not have to be afraid of that and pretend you are not convinced by evidence of tremendous Biblical scientific accuracy and historical confirmation. And we have a flounce! Will he stick it? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/183 "2018-05-06T20:51:48Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And we have a flounce! **Will he stick it?** Nah. Too easy. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/184 "2018-05-06T20:52:35Z")
Hey, ned12. Consider this Witnessing 101. If you can’t argue with people, if you can’t answer their questions, you’re wasting your time and theirs. Especially if all you can do is complain about how stubborn they are for not immediately accepting your word. Do you think door-to-door Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses crack at the first sign of opposition and walk away complaining? Because I don’t see any evidence that missionaries and proselytizers in general are put off by ‘stubborn people’. Of course, they do tend to be trained in how to handle these things. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/185 "2018-05-06T20:59:45Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > If you can’t argue with people, if you can’t answer their questions, you’re wasting your time and theirs. Especially if all you can do is complain about how stubborn they are for not immediately accepting your word. And especially if your witnessing degenerates into mentioning the titles of songs that you like. ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/186 "2018-05-06T22:46:47Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And especially if your witnessing degenerates into mentioning the titles of songs that you like. WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. Songs are also important to the spread of Christianity as one has to have some good emotional feeling in addition to pure truth of God’s existence. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/187 "2018-05-06T22:49:22Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. Songs are also important to the spread of Christianity as one has to have some good emotional feeling in addition to pure truth of God’s existence. Now tell us how those songs are evidence that our water is older than the sun. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/188 "2018-05-06T22:56:44Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. Songs are also important to the spread of Christianity as one has to have some good emotional feeling in addition to pure truth of God’s existence. You might as well be walkin’ on the sun… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/189 "2018-05-06T23:01:46Z")
And here we are, kicking the darkness until it bleeds day light. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/190 "2018-05-06T23:12:13Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. Songs are also important to the spread of Christianity as one has to have some good emotional feeling in addition to pure truth of God’s existence. What about the Christians who don’t sing, or dance… Don’t ask them? ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/191 "2018-05-06T23:13:33Z")
[quote=“ned12, post:186, topic:813482”] WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. Songs are also important to the spread of Christianity as one has to have some good emotional feeling in addition to pure truth of God’s existence. Furthermore. Christian songs take on way greater meaning with archaeology and many other sciences to back up the Bible being the authentic word of God. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/192 "2018-05-06T23:13:55Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. Songs are also important to the spread of Christianity as one has to have some good emotional feeling in addition to pure truth of God’s existence. Why are you watering down God’s pure truth? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/193 "2018-05-06T23:14:55Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > I hope I have explained enough. I hope you do not close this up. I cannot go on and on with stubborn, impossible people who will just go on finding fault with whatever I say. I have a life to lead and do other good stuff for God. > I will leave you all with this. Admitting the Bible is really the word of God will send us back to the Middle Ages or even ancient times. You do not have to be afraid of that and pretend you are not convinced by evidence of tremendous Biblical scientific accuracy and historical confirmation. And yet here it is three hours later… ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/194 "2018-05-06T23:16:09Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And we have a flounce! Will he stick it? Nope. Came back in 76 minutes for another helping. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/195 "2018-05-06T23:19:14Z")
So now we’re claiming that songs are proof of God too? What about the Greasy Grimy Gopher Guts or the one-eyed, one-horned, flyin’ purple people eater? There are songs about such creatures… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/196 "2018-05-06T23:20:27Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > I will not go on communicating with someone who acts impossible to reason with. Promise? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/197 "2018-05-06T23:24:00Z")
**Reason** 1. \*\* the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.\*\* synonyms: rationality, logic, logical thought, reasoning, cognition; verb 1. \*\*think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic. \*\* synonyms: think rationally, think logically, use one’s common sense, use one’s head/brain; Which person in this thread isn’t using logic and facts? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/198 "2018-05-06T23:26:32Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > Furthermore. Christian songs take on way greater meaning with archaeology and many other sciences to back up the Bible being the authentic word of God. What are some popular Christian archaeology and science songs? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/199 "2018-05-06T23:27:59Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Which person in this thread isn’t using logic and facts? Oh! Oh! I know! Pick me! Pick me! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/200 "2018-05-06T23:34:27Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > WRONG!!! My witnessing was not degenerating in the slightest. I’ll agree, in so far as it never really started. See **Chimera** ’s post for examples of groups who know how to do it. In the '70s I lived blocks away from Wheaton College, alma mater of Billy Graham, theologian Bart Ehrman, and director Wes Craven (Nightmare on Elm Street and some porn–when a kid from Wheaton falls he falls hard), and I learned what rookies sound like and their limitations. You, young son, are a rookie. When you come back bring arguments, not just assertions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482.md?page=11)