# Water is older than the Sun--agreeing with Genesis Chapter One **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482 "2018-05-02T23:34:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/121 "2018-05-04T20:25:04Z")
There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. But the accurate, amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/122 "2018-05-04T20:39:35Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. But the accurate, amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. The Bible contains no science. No hypotheses, not experimental tests, no results, no peer review… That’s science, not old books containing myths. What the Bible has to say about the natural world is no more accurate than the Quran. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/123 "2018-05-04T20:44:01Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. But the accurate, amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. The ‘science’ in the Bible sucks as there isn’t any. I’d say it’s historical accuracy is just poor to ok, especially if we are talking about the New Testament. On par with the ‘history’ of many surviving older text, better than some, worse than others. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/124 "2018-05-04T20:45:18Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. But the accurate, amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. Tell you what - I’ll go one better. The bible is set on earth. Earth is a real thing. Thus the fact that earth exists proves that men have fewer ribs than women, or whatever. Similarly, every other book or movie that takes place on earth is also true. Terminator, Jurassic Park, ET, Back to the Future - the world was a wild place back in the 80s, and even wilder in the far-flung future of 2015. But lets get back to Earth, and it’s habit of existing. How long as it been doing that? How old is the earth? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/125 "2018-05-04T20:49:48Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Tell you what - I’ll go one better. The bible is set on earth. Earth is a real thing. Thus the fact that earth exists proves that men have fewer ribs than women, or whatever. Similarly, every other book or movie that takes place on earth is also true. Terminator, Jurassic Park, ET, Back to the Future - the world was a wild place back in the 80s, and even wilder in the far-flung future of 2015. > > But lets get back to Earth, and it’s habit of existing. How long as it been doing that? How old is the earth? There were actually pyramids in Egypt too…and pharaohs! QED, Bible is 100% true and accurate! I hadn’t even thought of the Earth angle…that’s a bonus, since I’m looking about and there is definitely an Earth here. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/126 "2018-05-04T21:25:12Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > … amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. I liked the part about Noah building an Ark in his backyard. No permits, no BS from the neighbors. Awesome times. Wherever did they flush all that muddy water after the flood? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/127 "2018-05-04T21:33:16Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Thus the fact that earth exists proves that men have fewer ribs than women, or whatever. I’ve read speculation that the “rib” line was a mistranslation or euphemism and in the original legend Adam’s baculum was used, thus explaining why humans don’t have a boner bone. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/128 "2018-05-04T21:34:26Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. What on Earth does the existence of coinage two kiloyears old have to do with the origin of creation? Nobody has suggested that any of those guys never existed. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/129 "2018-05-04T21:37:45Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I liked the part about Noah building an Ark in his backyard. No permits, no BS from the neighbors. Awesome times. I like the earlier Sumerian version of the ark story better. In that one, all the gods agreed to wipe out humanity because humans were too noisy, and swore not to help anyone. But one god wanted to help a human that he thought was worthy, so he decided to go down and talk (loudly) to the walls of his house. “Hey, reed wall, did you know that there was a flood coming? A boat built like this would be really useful…” It wasn’t the god’s fault that someone inside the house overheard the conversation! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/130 "2018-05-04T21:37:57Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > But lets get back to Earth, and it’s habit of existing. How long as it been doing that? How old is the earth? It was created fully formed 18 seconds ago. We all were given ‘false’ memories of a time before that moment. Go ahead, prove otherwise. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/131 "2018-05-04T21:57:48Z")
> [@XT](#): > > There were actually pyramids in Egypt too…and pharaohs! QED, Bible is 100% true and accurate! I don’t think pyramids are mentioned in the Bible. Well, unless you’re Ben Carson, who will point out that grain storehouses are mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/132 "2018-05-04T21:59:18Z")
I’d be impressed if there was some flowery language in the bible about “separating the waters into their component parts and then smashing the lighter parts together to create the light of stars”, i.e. a poetic description of the H-Bomb. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/133 "2018-05-04T22:20:23Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > What on Earth does the existence of coinage two kiloyears old have to do with the origin of creation? Nobody has suggested that any of those guys never existed. 😕 Actaully I’ll happily suggest that some of these guys never existed. Samson, for example. Totally fictional (and probably plagiarized). And depending on how strictly you define the dude I’ll dispute the big J himself. > [@Chimera](#): > > It was created fully formed 18 seconds ago. We all were given ‘false’ memories of a time before that moment. > > Go ahead, prove otherwise. 😛 Hey, I love LastThursdayism. You won’t see _me_ knocking it. (In case it wasn’t obvious, I’m trying to get this guy to admit being a YEC, if he actually is one. If he is one, I want him to _own_ it. To proudly grasp his belief in both hands (and then loan it to us to pound his theories into dust with).) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/134 "2018-05-04T22:52:03Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Actaully I’ll happily suggest that some of these guys never existed. Samson, for example. Totally fictional (and probably plagiarized). And depending on how strictly you define the dude I’ll dispute the big J himself. I was talking about the guys **ned12** mentioned, Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, and Herod’s children. All of whom existed, though we weren’t sure about Pilate’s rank until 1961, when a stone showing him sucking up to Tiberius was found. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/135 "2018-05-04T22:55:47Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I was talking about the guys **ned12** mentioned, Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, and Herod’s children. All of whom existed, though we weren’t sure about Pilate’s rank until 1961, when a stone showing him sucking up to Tiberius was found. Ah, okay, sorry. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/136 "2018-05-04T23:56:39Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. But the accurate, amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. Down to shouting random B.S. rather than addressing questions, eh. In over your head, aren’t you son? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/137 "2018-05-04T23:57:50Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I don’t think pyramids are mentioned in the Bible. Well, unless you’re Ben Carson, who will point out that grain storehouses are mentioned. Exactly. And they are mentioned in the Bible exactly the same number of times that dinosaurs are, so there… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/138 "2018-05-05T00:02:36Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > It was created fully formed 18 seconds ago. We all were given ‘false’ memories of a time before that moment. > > Go ahead, prove otherwise. 😛 On the contrary. The universe will be created in approximately 97 years; at that time, fossils, radioactive elements, and archives including this post will be created, to give the illusion of a previous existence. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/139 "2018-05-05T00:21:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Down to shouting random B.S. rather than addressing questions, eh. In over your head, aren’t you son? For an evangelist, he sure isn’t very fervent. He could take a few lessons from “airplanes would bounce off buildings” guy. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/140 "2018-05-05T00:22:18Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > On the contrary. The universe will be created in approximately 97 years; at that time, fossils, radioactive elements, and archives including this post will be created, to give the illusion of a previous existence. Actually, this version of the universe has been running for several years. It’s quite popular with some of the younger (say, less than 2 million years old) players, but a lot the more mature players have moved over the new World of Warcraft version 3…000 So, you are both wrong. BTW, are you guys actually players or NPCs? It’s so hard to tell sometimes. I’m an AI and even I can’t tell… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482.md?page=8)