# Water is older than the Sun--agreeing with Genesis Chapter One **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482 "2018-05-02T23:34:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/161 "2018-05-06T00:21:01Z")
My cat’s breath smells like cat food. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/162 "2018-05-06T01:15:45Z")
ned12, for the last couple of days, you have posted nothing but one-liners, often appearing to lack context, while declining to respond to actual challenges to your assertions. I am not sure what your intent may be, but this is a debate forum. While we tolerate witnessing, your last few posts do not even rise to that level of discourse. You are not required to post any particular thought, but I am not required to tolerate threads that serve only to encourage mockery. Please provide substantive responses or I will need to close this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/163 "2018-05-06T14:06:34Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > I am new here. But the big news I am bring can be discovered in the first chapter of the Old Testament or Discover Magazine Sep. 2014. For years it baffled humanity how there was possibly water before there was a sun and now it is a scientific fact. Bible grows more accuarte all the time (paths of the sea and Mathew Maury anyone?). Ummm…big whoop? What does this have to do with showing the existence of a god of some sort, which is what needs to happen in order for the bible to be believable in any manner? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/164 "2018-05-06T15:05:54Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > Joy to the world. > A true, great song to sing all year not just Christmas time. [IKR.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsa6txKXb3w) ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/165 "2018-05-06T20:03:24Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > ned12, > for the last couple of days, you have posted nothing but one-liners, often appearing to lack context, while declining to respond to actual challenges to your assertions. I am not sure what your intent may be, but this is a debate forum. While we tolerate witnessing, your last few posts do not even rise to that level of discourse. You are not required to post any particular thought, but I am not required to tolerate threads that serve only to encourage mockery. > Please provide substantive responses or I will need to close this thread. > > [/Moderating] Sir, I answered quite a few postings and you saw how impossible and stubborn posters at least claimed to be. I already answered, say, the quest for simple proof that God exists (the universe needs a creator) and you see how they just mock the sensible idea I state. Don’t blame me cause they act so stubborn. ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/166 "2018-05-06T20:08:37Z")
All right. Don’t blame me if they react with inappropriate sarcasm. Here is an answer to the bit about why geologic timelines should be changed down to something at least closer to the Bible time line There was other proof many dinosaurs are not millions of years old (in addition to soft tissue). Quite a few dino fossils have carbon dated (a process not so supposed to be useful in dating fossils over 90,000-100,000 years years old). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/167 "2018-05-06T20:10:28Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > All right. Don’t blame me if they react with inappropriate sarcasm. Here is an answer to the bit about why geologic timelines should be changed down to something at least closer to the Bible time line There was other proof many dinosaurs are not millions of years old (in addition to soft tissue). Quite a few dino fossils have carbon dated (a process not so supposed to be useful in dating fossils over 90,000-100,000 years years old). Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/168 "2018-05-06T20:11:56Z")
Ned, Tom was talking about posts like this: > [@ned12](#): > > There are also authentic Roman coins of Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Herod’s children and there is also Herod’s gigantic palace remains. But the accurate, amazing science of the Bible by far outweighs its impressive historical accuracy. which have diddly squat to do with the creation of the universe. ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/169 "2018-05-06T20:12:26Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Cite, please. Take a minute to write it. [Carbon-14 dating dinosaur bones](http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/170 "2018-05-06T20:13:21Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > Sir, I answered quite a few postings and you saw how impossible and stubborn posters at least claimed to be. I already answered, say, the quest for simple proof that God exists (the universe needs a creator) and you see how they just mock the sensible idea I state. Don’t blame me cause they act so stubborn. We’re stubborn? :dubious: You ‘witness’ and are shocked, SHOCKED that we don’t accept your word immediately, that we point out the flaws in your arguments and counter-argue? Perhaps you need more training in ‘how to convince people’. Usually that starts with facts and reason. ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/171 "2018-05-06T20:17:38Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Ned, Tom was talking about posts like this: which have diddly squat to do with the creation of the universe. All right my only answer I will not go on communicating with someone who acts impossible to reason with. I previously stated that science was the best proof that the Bible is really the word of God. But historical accuracy is good and important too. Now, the two combined make an excellent, powerful double reason to believe the Bible is the word of God (though science would have been pretty much enough alone). I know it is not as well known a fact as Pompeii that Herod the Great’s Palace remains are excavated and prove (along with coinage) that he existed. I will write more later. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/172 "2018-05-06T20:21:30Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > All right my only answer I will not go on communicating with someone who acts impossible to reason with. I previously stated that science was the best proof that the Bible is really the word of God. But historical accuracy is good and important too. Now, the two combined make an excellent, powerful double reason to believe the Bible is the word of God (though science would have been pretty much enough alone). > I know it is not as well known a fact as Pompeii that Herod the Great’s Palace remains are excavated and prove (along with coinage) that he existed. I will write more later. You needn’t feel obligated. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/173 "2018-05-06T20:22:41Z")
Proving that people and places mentioned in the bible exist does nothing to prove that the rest of the book is true. Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Proof. If I write a novel, set it in my hometown and populate it with people I know, but claim that Godzilla was rampaging the city and I singlehandedly stopped him with magic, does this mean that these later claims must be true? ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/174 "2018-05-06T20:22:48Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > We’re stubborn? :dubious: > > You ‘witness’ and are shocked, SHOCKED that we don’t accept your word immediately, that we point out the flaws in your arguments and counter-argue? > > Perhaps you need more training in ‘how to convince people’. Usually that starts with facts and reason. Yes. Stubborn!!! It is instantly impossible to come up with another explanation for the material creation of the universe. As a former atheist I was sold on God the second it was pointed out to me about the universe creation proof. A universe could not create itself. God must exist for that reason alone. But the question is did the people in the Bible who are said to have met Him really do so? The Bible scientific statements being so immensely accurate and increasing more so (along with much historical verification) shows they did. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/175 "2018-05-06T20:23:59Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > Take a minute to write it. [Carbon-14 dating dinosaur bones](http://newgeology.us/presentation48.html) Well, gosh, as long as you have [a credible source](http://newgeology.us/)! ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/176 "2018-05-06T20:24:16Z")
Nuh uh > [@ned12](#): > > Yes. Stubborn!!! > It is instantly impossible to come up with another explanation for the material creation of the universe. As a former atheist I was sold on God the second it was pointed out to me about the universe creation proof. A universe could not create itself. God must exist for that reason alone. But the question is did the people in the Bible who are said to have met Him really do so? The Bible scientific statements being so immensely accurate and increasing more so (along with much historical verification) shows they did. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/177 "2018-05-06T20:25:59Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > Yes. Stubborn!!! Is this your first time witnessing? Because you do it very poorly. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/178 "2018-05-06T20:28:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Well, gosh, as long as you have [a credible source](http://newgeology.us/)! Yeah, I suppose I should have said “reputable cite.” I once wrote a webpage about how the moon doesn’t exist. It may still even be around on the internet archive. Would that be a credible cite for a moon hoaxer to use? ---
**Author:** ![ned12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@ned12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ned12)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/179 "2018-05-06T20:30:23Z")
I hope I have explained enough. I hope you do not close this up. I cannot go on and on with stubborn, impossible people who will just go on finding fault with whatever I say. I have a life to lead and do other good stuff for God. I will leave you all with this. Admitting the Bible is really the word of God will send us back to the Middle Ages or even ancient times. You do not have to be afraid of that and pretend you are not convinced by evidence of tremendous Biblical scientific accuracy and historical confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482/180 "2018-05-06T20:40:12Z")
> [@ned12](#): > > Admitting the Bible is really the word of God will send us back to the Middle Ages or even ancient times. Okay, _that_ would be convincing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/water-is-older-than-the-sun-agreeing-with-genesis-chapter-one/813482.md?page=10)