# WAY more than you wanted to know about Rudy Giuliani **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095 "2023-05-15T21:07:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/201 "2023-11-10T23:01:22Z")
It’s a metaphysical certainty that he isn’t wearing pants. Beyond that, I cannot bear to speculate. ETA: I’m going to _try_ to do a better job of multi-quoting in a single post. Discourse didn’t snap at me this time, but I know I fall short on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/202 "2023-11-11T20:25:39Z")
I don’t think he was taking off his pants, I think he was checking to see if his dick was working. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/203 "2023-11-13T14:41:42Z")
I have another reason to detest Rudy: He was the lead attorney representing Purdue Pharmacy in 2006. I was unaware that Rudy defended the scummiest rich family around, the Sacklers. I didn’t know this history very well and just watched the show series called _Painkiller_ and I recommend it if you haven’t seen it. I have a few new things on my reading list to get through. Fuck Rudy. Fuck the Sacklers! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/204 "2023-11-13T19:11:45Z")
I bet the Sacklers paid him in product. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/205 "2023-11-13T19:15:52Z")
Do they also sell prescription booze? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/206 "2023-11-13T20:52:48Z")
Sackler Scotch. And just like the 180mg Oxy-Coffin form, it comes in full barrels. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/207 "2023-11-14T21:28:44Z")
A while back, an alcoholic friend of mine was going in for surgery. He thought it was pretty cool that the doctor asked him to sneak in some booze as that facility didn’t have the resources to deal with him going into withdrawal while he was there. When I mentioned that here, I was informed that some (many? all?) hospitals keep vodka in the pharmacy specifically for dealing with people that do end up in that situation. Prescription booze is a thing. [![](https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/img_9936.jpg?quality=85&strip=all) ](https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/img_9936.jpg?quality=85&strip=all) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/208 "2023-11-14T21:44:05Z")
Glad I noticed the “For ORAL use only” tag at last. I feared it’d be given intravenously… ETA: seriously though, it makes perfect sense. The doctors wouldn’t want to get someone into delirium tremens when in need of care/surgery for a different issue. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/209 "2023-11-14T21:48:46Z")
> **[Alcohol prescription by surgeons in the prevention and treatment of delirium...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12100836/)** > > Beer, other alcohol beverages, and IV alcohol are still used to prevent or treat alcohol withdrawal delirium on surgical services. The history of the use of alcohol by surgeons may play a role in its continued use for withdrawal. In this policy... > IV alcohol in the treatment of alcohol withdrawal ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/210 "2023-11-14T21:48:56Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Prescription booze is a thing. Today I learned. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/211 "2023-11-14T21:52:30Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > Today I learned Jan 2016 for me. > [@Medicinal use for ethyl alcohol](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/medicinal-use-for-ethyl-alcohol/742544/4): > > Doctors sometimes order an alcoholic beverage for a patient, as an appetite stimulant or sleep aid. It doesn’t happen much, but I can assure you that every hospital pharmacy has some beer, wine, or even stronger stuff on hand, and many nursing homes do too. We logged it in the C-II file, along with morphine, cocaine, OxyContin, etc. Incredibly, at one time it was even used intravenously to stop preterm labor. :eek: It worked, too. I’d read about it, and a pharmacist who had dispensed it for… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/212 "2023-11-14T21:54:40Z")
I’m sure booze is prescribed frequently by Dr. Feelgood. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/213 "2023-11-14T21:57:42Z")
And by Dr. Robert. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/214 "2023-11-14T21:59:13Z")
You can find prohibition-era prescriptions from doctors for alcohol online. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/215 "2023-11-14T22:01:12Z")
Yeah, I read that prescriptions and medical purposes in general were a big loop hole during the Prohibition. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/216 "2023-11-14T23:13:35Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Prescription booze is a thing. probably cheaper to drink a bottle of champaign out of a hooker’s high-heels than those 45ml of Vodka you’ll find in your total-hospital-bill… ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/217 "2023-11-14T23:21:15Z")
Shouldn’t be a problem here with universal healthcare (including emergency booze as it seems), but if they rather want to send a hooker with champagne, who am I to complain? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/218 "2023-11-14T23:27:38Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I was informed that some (many? all?) hospitals keep vodka in the pharmacy specifically for dealing with people that do end up in that situation. It’s also first aid in ER for people people presenting methanol poisoning. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/219 "2023-11-14T23:30:24Z")
why, if I may ask? there seems to be some learning in there … ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095/220 "2023-11-14T23:48:02Z")
Ordinarily it’s just the first step prior to pumping your stomach out and further treatment. > Treatment options for methanol toxicity include supportive care, fomepizole (Antizole, 4-Methylpyrazole or 4MP), ethanol, dialysis, and theoretically, folate. Fomepizole is the antidote for toxic alcohols, and its mechanism of action is the inhibition of alcohol dehydrogenase. Ethanol may also be utilized therapeutically to inhibit alcohol dehydrogenase when fomepizole is unavailable. > … > Fomepizole or ethanol serves as alcohol dehydrogenase inhibitors to stop the conversion of methanol to its toxic metabolite, formate. When alcohol dehydrogenase is inhibited, clearance of methanol is prolonged from approximately 8.5 mg/dL/hr to an effective half-life of 45 to 90 hours. Fomepizole is given intravenously, with a loading dose of 15 mg/kg, and then maintenance dosing of 10 mg/kg every 12 hours for 4 doses or until the methanol concentration is less than 32 mg/dL with normal acid-base status. > … > Dosing of ethanol is more complicated, difficult to monitor, and has the added side effect of inebriation. Ethanol may be given intravenously or orally. However, it should only be given if fomepizole is unavailable as it would be inappropriate to cause the patient to be inebriated for such an extended period. [NIH cite](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482121/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095.md?page=12)